Sexual preferences in CP77

[kofeiiniturpa]

I try to keep out from sex and romance threads because they always remind me of those traumatizingly horrible scenes from Bioware games, but I'll put out this thought. If (and probably when) there is going to be sexuality, I think there should be more to it than stock romancing or pandering to minorities or arousing teenage nerds. There should be involved and unbiased thematic exploration of the decadence and depravity, what commitment and abandonment might result in, what it might mean to an individual. And also gameplay afflictions, mechanics and narratives that might offer different results in certain places and events depending on whether the situation is this or that. Not just tits for tits sake and virtual fucktoys for every taste just to have them.

 

[Kaebus2196]

Some people do find the opposite (or same) gender attractive though, so it does still carry relevance. If I find women attractive for example, that's just how it is. Now of course in Cyberpunk, anyone (including men) have the opportunity to modify themselves to fit that category, but if it is a man who has undergone modification to be imposing as a woman, I would not see the same attraction to that as I would a real woman.

 

[nomotog]

People seem to be overthinking this subject way too much. If it's the future we want then we need to get our minds out of the present.
Sexuality comes naturally, it's fluid. In an age where humans have melded with machines, gender and sexuality become obsolete. In this universe, it's possible to have 'gay butt sex' with a woman who is actually a cyborg that was once a man. You could theoretically have a relationship with a man named Shirley who has a neural socket instead of genitals.

Fluidity is key however and making gay night clubs would ultimately ruin that because thats basically a sign saying "ANYBODY WHO LIKES GAY THINGS GO HERE", this is a world where gay rights activists and feminists have no meaning because anybody can become anything and in a world where anybody can become anything, everybody is alien and individuality defines people to their very exterior. Robot-tentacle hermaphrodites, people with fish fins , etc.

Bladerunner is a fine example of this and having stories that revolve around individual sexualities is tedious in a world where there is nothing we consider normal.

That is kind of how I imagine it. A lot of our ideas about gender sex and ect just don't fit. I view this as more wishful thinking then I kind of doubt that will be how it's done in the game though. That would take a lot of courage and imagination.

 

[Kaebus2196]

That is kind of how I imagine it. A lot of our ideas about gender sex and ect just don't fit. I view this as more wishful thinking then I kind of doubt that will be how it's done in the game though. That would take a lot of courage and imagination.

Agreed.

Back to the general topic of sexuality though, I am sure that choosing to pursue a relationship will be entirely optional. Though depending on certain horizons that you wish to achieve, a relationship may help boost your chances either by joint operations with your partner or by increasing your influence, say within a company or the government. Of course, a relationship could also hinder those chances, generally in the military/police based occupations where a partner can be used as leverage against you, or potentially distract you from being your best.

 

[nomotog]

Agreed.

Back to the general topic of sexuality though, I am sure that choosing to pursue a relationship will be entirely optional. Though depending on certain horizons that you wish to achieve, a relationship may help boost your chances either by joint operations with your partner or by increasing your influence, say within a company or the government. Of course, a relationship could also hinder those chances, generally in the military/police based occupations where a partner can be used as leverage against you, or potentially distract you from being your best.

It could also lead to sex... Well I mean.. ya. I think would be completely fine if the relationship bit simply existed for it's own sake.

 

[Kaebus2196]

It could also lead to sex...

If ever implemented into the game, this will likely be either implied or at most given black screen time skips. Then again, CDPR did get into it a bit with The Witcher's romance scenes.

 

[Rypht]

I think with the augmenting of human bodies with cybernetics you could end up with some interesting situations in terms of sexuality, that might hit close to home for many gamers.

Males or females that have their brains implanted in bodies of the opposite sex, is that character really what he/she seems? What if your love interest turns out to be something other?

Bi sexual individuals that have augmented their bodies to maximize their options when it comes to physical pleasure. I.e. The person's original body, with the addition of the other gender's reproductive organ in addition to their original bits.

What if the individual would rather an entirely non-human love interest? Would it be so hard to believe a Netrunner falling for an AI, or perhaps a Corporate having out of work relations with an android assistant?

I really think simply confining this to hetero or homo preferences would be a rather small thing by the time this setting comes around in.

 

[Azriel7]

Just want to point out, things that probably exist in a cyberpunk future.

Cyber/VR porn games. Just any porn show, but one you can participate in VR/Cyber.

Body Puppettering, I can see pleasure shops where people can jack into other bodies which might be workers who get paid to lend their bodies to others, or cyborg shells, bio created lifeforms(organic robots) that do not follow normal human anatamy...etc

Sex Bots - seriously, I can see this totally as a thing. I expect personal robots will double as sex bots at home. Something like the show HUMANS https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr3pzYThiKk did. The average person will probably have robots that look human, while the rich will have biocreated robots (think replicants from bladerunner) that could look like anything, probably something exotic.

Body mods, not just cybernetic, but in 2020 their was biomods as well which would have a lot of interesting applications.

 

[IMadeYouReadThis]

I think TW3 already kinda did it. There are few of "rainbow" characters within game and also game pretty much allows you to chose possible sexual orientation for Ciri.
Still I know I know people ask for more then this for this next game and I honestly have no troubles with it at all. I mean I'm sure we are to get strip club or few and whore houses as tradition demands (¬‿¬)
So I do expect there to be gay-clubs and even few of male prostitutes as well. I mean gender of protagonist will be up to players to decide so it is more then obvious that at least as far as whore houses go....that option will be there.

Now if you mean more on specific gay romances(like real romances and not one night stands)....first let me cringe...not because of that(I'm pan so it is for sure not that lol) but because this reminds me on BW forums too much so I cringe because of that. Now as for romances as long as it is done right and in equal measures then it is fine. With this I mean don't give 1 straight romance of 1 gender and about 6 none-straight ones(cringe because this is BW's favorite topic again). I mean for example give 1 straight romance(for both genders), 1 bi (of both genders), 1 pan (of both genders) and in end 1 homosexual (for both genders). Something like this to give it a balance in here. And now please I would like to stop speaking too much about this because I can't help but cringe of how much this looks more and more on BnS forums.

 

[Azriel7]

Bioware was trying to push social political issues into their games and why their games quality has gone way down. Having some gay/bi in the game would be fine, but the vast majority of players will be strait so that should be the focus. Really do not want another horrid bioware game where every single character is bi.

 

[Sardukhar]

Guess what we aren't going to do? Bitch about bioware.

Well, not too much.

I don't know or care how BW forums are run or look. Not my mandate. Around here, you are free to have a civil discussion of sexual preferences as much as you like, staying mostly on topic of course.

So feel free to go back and forth on the issue of straight, bi, trans, pan, whatever in game, but leave the bioware bitching out of it. It's non-constructive, divisive and annoying.

 

[Blackshatan]

Bioware was trying to push social political issues into their games and why their games quality has gone way down. Having some gay/bi in the game would be fine, but the vast majority of players will be strait so that should be the focus. Really do not want another horrid bioware game where every single character is bi.

I agree. Those things in DA pissed me off so much.

But DA :I was a solid game. Not as good as W3, but still very solid.

I do believe mostly everybody ingame except specific characters should be straight.

 

[andrewmeythaler]

In the grim darkness of the near future there is only one acceptable sexual preference: CYBERSEX!

 

[IMadeYouReadThis]

In the grim darkness of the near future there is only one acceptable sexual preference: CYBERSEX!

Sexbots for win!

 

[9thCircuitOverlord]

I haven't read the entire thread so I don't know if this has been touched upon yet, but it would be nice to see sexuality used as a tactic.

Who hasn't used sexuality to get a job, an apartment, etc.

I am not talking about sleeping with someone for a job, apartment, or anything on that level, but simple flirtation or allowing someone to believe something that may or may not be true. I have on no less than two occasions allowed apartment managers to believe I was in a gay relationship with a friend, in my town that is a big plus when they are deciding whether to rent you an apartment. We happened to get great deals on both those apartments.

Dishonest certainly, morally reprehensible possibly, downright underhanded tactics more than likely, but those tactics working is a certain reality in the real world. I would like to see a similar thing in games, especially in a Cyberpunk world where I would expect sexuality to be used as often as a weapon as it is in a relationship, or recreational manner.

 

[Butcher_of_Cidaris]

I am strait. I don't like when homosexuality is thrown into my face. But at the same time i don't stalk sexual minority, i don't mind if there are characters included into a game and have even a big role in a story. Just make it civil. I don't like when something is propagandizing to me!

 

[Azriel7]

I haven't read the entire thread so I don't know if this has been touched upon yet, but it would be nice to see sexuality used as a tactic.

Who hasn't used sexuality to get a job, an apartment, etc.

I am not talking about sleeping with someone for a job, apartment, or anything on that level, but simple flirtation or allowing someone to believe something that may or may not be true. I have on no less than two occasions allowed apartment managers to believe I was in a gay relationship with a friend, in my town that is a big plus when they are deciding whether to rent you an apartment. We happened to get great deals on both those apartments.

Dishonest certainly, morally reprehensible possibly, downright underhanded tactics more than likely, but those tactics working is a certain reality in the real world. I would like to see a similar thing in games, especially in a Cyberpunk world where I would expect sexuality to be used as often as a weapon as it is in a relationship, or recreational manner.

Actually, sleepinga round to get ahead or for favors is something people do, along with possible consequences of your actions. Some of the most memorable moments in fallout 2 was when you slept around. You could sleep with the farmers daughter which led to you being forced to marry her in shotgun wedding, then there was the scene with the woman who wanted help getting her husband out of prison, you could do it free, take some money, but there was also an option to take sex as payment. The funny thing was, after you took the payment, you could ignore the quest and not save the husband. A horrible person? Yes, but realistic too.

I would like moments like this, sleeping around for favors or to get ahead. However, sleeping with someones spouse/significant other/family could get you in trouble. I would really like something crazy, like seduce a rich person and convince them to kill their spouse, then have marry them (or at least put you on the will), then that person can have an...accident.. and you will inherit everything. I can totally see a bastard corporate character doing this.

This should be a valid tactic, at least for those who get the seduction skill.

 

[proletkult]

There is a huge difference between sex and relationship. They are not the same thing. To assume people interested in video game sex are interested in a compelling relationship is questionable. Although why people want to mix porn with video games is beyond me. I mean, if its part of the game, as a player, I'll explore it, but I don't expect video games to include sex/relationship issues. That being said, am I the ONLY person in the world to get the threesome in Dragon Age? (with the female pirate and the gay elf assassin)?

 

[nomotog]

Bioware was trying to push social political issues into their games and why their games quality has gone way down. Having some gay/bi in the game would be fine, but the vast majority of players will be strait so that should be the focus. Really do not want another horrid bioware game where every single character is bi.

If your making the romances as a way to pander to the player, then ya I guess make them straight to pander to the straights (official term ). (Though you can pander to more people too.) I think the point of making use of queer romances is more in service to the setting then the player.

 

[cyberpunkforever]

i think this game should have options for each orientation of each gender, includng new orientations, cyber, augmented, non aumented, etc, i mean, it's the future, everything is possible