810 hours. Most of them are spent playing with virtual photography. Creating shots through AMM or PMU. Also putting together outfits cuz my boy needs to be dressed to impress.
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...I deny all of that.It's not baseless:
Here's @Waharbl's post:
''Worth'' is subjective.
I tend to view my spendings in hours. If I spend 80 euro's on something that I will only play for 10 hours, it's relatively steep.
However with cyberpunk totalling at almost 600 hours on different accounts and playthroughs I am willing to wager that the price for Phantom Liberty isn't too steep.
And here's exactly what you said:
"Interesting. So, any game that is grindy/repetitive with cringy dialogue and forgettable characters is worth it...so long as it's 600 hours long? I am reading that right?"
The green bit? That's what Waharbl mentioned. All the red stuff? That's you completely misrepresenting what they've said to create a strawman. I mean, if anyone wants a textbook example of the strawman fallacy, there it is. That's not an innocent misunderstanding; that's a willful misrepresentation of someone else's words, in order to falsely amplify your own opinion.
And what made me think you don't like the game is, again, the bit in red, which are your words, not someone else's. How else is someone supposed to interpret that? It's up to you to clarify that.
Now, there's nothing wrong with wanting to share your own experience. If you want to just say outright, "I personally think the game is grindy/repetitive with cringy dialogue and forgettable characters", then fine! Take ownership of it, but don't project that onto other people's posts as if they're saying the same thing when they're not.
I get that you want CDPR to hear you. I get that you want them to change the game in a way that you want. That's fine. BUT your tactic involves manipulating another's post to make it seem like other people's views are congruent with your own even when they aren't.
Do I think that's immature? Yeah, I do. At the very least I think maturity includes owning up to our flaws/mistakes, making an effort to fix them, and doing better going forward. That's just personal growth IMO
Now, getting back to the subject of worth, specifically the ending where you actually have the option to betray Silverhand. You can make him think that you're going to contact the Aldos but really do a 180 and cut a deal with the Sakas. That's a level of worth in storytelling that most of the other games that are grindy/repetitive with cringy dialogue and forgettable characters lack. Such as Anthem, which I've already said. However, when every patch which is supposed to fix something in the game seems to introduce new immersion breaking bugs, it makes me skeptical for the DLC and question if it's worth paying full price for a day one release.
Also, as I've said, not all 600hr games are created equal. And I personally don't think that a game should be automatically viewed as worthy simply because it's long. Take Nier Automata for example, it's definitely not as long as CB2077 but it's still worthy of being in my Steam library. But, to each their own.
Perhaps if Wahrbl decides to speak for his/herself I can continue this particular conversation then.
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No, or at least very unlikely. Why? History with this game. I won't even consider buying it until:- a) I see what the patch fixes in the base game, b) I know what base game improvements/fixes are hidden behind the DLC paywall, c) I've seen gameplay on my platform by normal players, and, d) It's in a sale with at least 50% off, like new players are getting with the base game.
Patches have never been behind a paywall. Those are what fix issues and add improvements.
After waiting months for something beyond "it's totally gonna be awesome, bro", I have to say I'm becoming a bit concerned given the peculiar marketing strategy the PR team has engaged with, not to mention PR's rather pretentious whitewashing as the devs express excitement amidst humility and gratitude. While I understand they would wish to recoup the considerable costs of the last few years worth of work, selling a non-collector's edition of seemingly subpar quality materials that doesn't even include the game feels like we're entering territory eerily reminiscent of the months leading up to 2077's launch.
I appreciate that the B-roll is a bit more honest this time around given we can see a number of bugs front and center, but that's from the mere first few minutes of this allegedly massive expansion. I can only imagine what kind of the state the rest of the game is in at the moment. CDPR not allowing footage to be captured is another red-flag as well imo.
I've been patiently awaiting the moment something is presented that I would be convinced the product will be mostly functional at launch. What I've seen is intriguing and what's been said is exciting - All things considered though, from the lack of clarity regarding important questions players have asked to the out right ignorance of legitimate concerns the community has expressed, a tour leading up to launch with the majority of dates still TBD and nearly no footage of the open-world improvements; I don't feel I can spend money on this at the moment. The price is no problem, the game they're saying will coming to fruition soon was in my mind worth more than 100 dollars a long time ago. Their recent activities and behavior don't give me confidence what's on the horizon is more than the hubris that got them into this mess in the first place though...
I appreciate that the B-roll is a bit more honest this time around given we can see a number of bugs front and center, but that's from the mere first few minutes of this allegedly massive expansion. I can only imagine what kind of the state the rest of the game is in at the moment. CDPR not allowing footage to be captured is another red-flag as well imo.
I've been patiently awaiting the moment something is presented that I would be convinced the product will be mostly functional at launch. What I've seen is intriguing and what's been said is exciting - All things considered though, from the lack of clarity regarding important questions players have asked to the out right ignorance of legitimate concerns the community has expressed, a tour leading up to launch with the majority of dates still TBD and nearly no footage of the open-world improvements; I don't feel I can spend money on this at the moment. The price is no problem, the game they're saying will coming to fruition soon was in my mind worth more than 100 dollars a long time ago. Their recent activities and behavior don't give me confidence what's on the horizon is more than the hubris that got them into this mess in the first place though...
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No.
Expansions are rarely ”worth it”, but the changes in gameplay might be somewhat fun,
Expansions are rarely ”worth it”, but the changes in gameplay might be somewhat fun,
I've already pre-ordered it. No reason not to. Outside of the poor launch CDPR hasn't let players down.
Might be worth the price, definitely not worth taking the risk imo.
Preordering digital goods is pointless anyways. There’s an unlimited amount of copies, we’re not running out of them anytime soon.
That being said I’ve fallen into this trap last time, I’ve preordered CP77 and regretted every bit of it. Won’t do that again. Fool me once..
On one hand, I’d love the expansion to have a great launch, on the other, I’d love overly optimistic people to finally learn their lesson.
I don’t know where their trust comes from, but personally I think it’s unjustified.
Preordering digital goods is pointless anyways. There’s an unlimited amount of copies, we’re not running out of them anytime soon.
That being said I’ve fallen into this trap last time, I’ve preordered CP77 and regretted every bit of it. Won’t do that again. Fool me once..
On one hand, I’d love the expansion to have a great launch, on the other, I’d love overly optimistic people to finally learn their lesson.
I don’t know where their trust comes from, but personally I think it’s unjustified.
You...can return it on GoG up to 30 days. So really there's little reason -not- to preorder, at least on GoG. Buy it on release, buy it a week later or a month before, you have until 30 days after purchase of game or release date, whichever came later. Simple.
I've only 2 reasons to preorder most non-GoG games.
1. Get it off my do list. I have, generally, a big do list of things. I usually shop around for a preorder bargain (money off, maybe some cool stuff, maybe Beta access) for an hour or two before buying. That's nice to do ahead of time. My other platform is Steam, so if reviews suck as it comes out, I can return it quite easily.
2. Encourage developers by (mostly) committing to buying their game ahead of time. Sometimes this is Kickstarter (the most risky of preorders), sometimes it's something like Rogue Trader where I want not only Beta Access but to fiscally encourage the devs.
Yep, pretty much my thoughts...
It's 100% sure that September 26th, I'll play the expansion as soon as the download is finished. So buying it now, a week before or right when it's available, it doesn't matter.
Hum.. I wonder what lesson I would have had to learn. I pre-ordered Cyberpunk 2077, I had a blast to play it at release despite of the bugs, so...
I guess if it wasn't the case for you, it's a shame. So indeed don't buy the expansion at release and even less pre-order it.
I share a similar mindset when it comes to indie developers working on projects I’m not skeptical about.
Yes, I can refund if I want to. It’s very easy and convenient. Personally, there’s an even more convenient method though. It’s waiting out the release, building an opinion based on post release experience, and deciding whether to buy a product or not afterwards
Might even be the more convenient option for the developer. If their product can convince me, they’ll receive all the money they could’ve made if I preordered within hours anyways. If not, they’d have to refund me, which is additional hassle (yes I’m aware most of this process is automatic).
I’m trying to avoid a stalemate situation, in which I’m not fully satisfied with a product, but intrigued enough not to refund it, and end up a quasi beta tester for.
Just for info, the new requirements also concern the base game (not just Phantom Liberty). So you will have to play the game on "low quality" no matter if you buy the expansion or not
Yeah, sure you can
But you won't have access to the huge amount of changes and improvements the update released next to the expansion, will provide (like the entire rework of skill trees, police system overhaul, vehicle combats or melee combat improvements to only quote few).
Unfortunately for CD project Red the answer is NO
In my opinion he who had the game shod get this PHANTOM LIBERTY for free. after the shit show they pull with this game.
So the game as it is now is a bug fest
- Quest load with delay
- After 1h of play every think is bug from car dashboard to mission scan etc..
- I never finish the game cause of the F bugs ( drop in arasaka tower my save got corrupted after 45h of game )
- U cannot skip the NPC sex scene ( who the F wants to see NPC having sex , we have porn ...) and they are so long OMG Let us skip it if we want
- The list is long as a toilet paper roll
Horrible game design press F press F press F press F press F even if u do not have a option in dialogue u must press F
- Open the game press Enter w8 for load click continue game loads press space ( WTF )
- go a console and u need to HOLD F or press F ( wtf guys i have 105 keys )
- the C key is bind all over if u are crouch in a mission and a text option pop up and u want to stand up u press C hahah and u skip the dialogue
- if u do not have STR /Tech u cannot open doors so u cannot play the game how u like there is no lockpick or some cyber shit that will help u hack no no no no u must be full STR
- Items iconic epic legendary makes no sense my legendary armor is useless compare to other common items and so on
- There is no real explication about the skills perk's u must check internet ( i hate it when one game dos not give u all info u need and u must relay on others) very bad for a single player game
- driving in 1st person is out of the question u are to low in your seat , the camera keeps resetting when i drive make it impossible to see where u are going
- The game is build for controller first then keyboard (coming from PC game developer this hurts )
- At more then one time i found my self confuse the dialogue and the mission do not flow u must fallow a specific route , some of quest let u in the air with no outcome
- to much of the illusion of having a choose , at the end it dos not matter what text option u have select outcome is the same dialog changes ( perfect illusion for children )
There are allot bad things in this game compare to the wincher some times i wander who actually made this game is not possible that the same developer who give us the wincher to make this .
So yeah i think this expansion shod be free if u have the game. ( is not about 30$ is about making good on what they promise years ago) is bean 2 years and the game is in bad shape .
In my opinion he who had the game shod get this PHANTOM LIBERTY for free. after the shit show they pull with this game.
So the game as it is now is a bug fest
- Quest load with delay
- After 1h of play every think is bug from car dashboard to mission scan etc..
- I never finish the game cause of the F bugs ( drop in arasaka tower my save got corrupted after 45h of game )
- U cannot skip the NPC sex scene ( who the F wants to see NPC having sex , we have porn ...) and they are so long OMG Let us skip it if we want
- The list is long as a toilet paper roll
Horrible game design press F press F press F press F press F even if u do not have a option in dialogue u must press F
- Open the game press Enter w8 for load click continue game loads press space ( WTF )
- go a console and u need to HOLD F or press F ( wtf guys i have 105 keys )
- the C key is bind all over if u are crouch in a mission and a text option pop up and u want to stand up u press C hahah and u skip the dialogue
- if u do not have STR /Tech u cannot open doors so u cannot play the game how u like there is no lockpick or some cyber shit that will help u hack no no no no u must be full STR
- Items iconic epic legendary makes no sense my legendary armor is useless compare to other common items and so on
- There is no real explication about the skills perk's u must check internet ( i hate it when one game dos not give u all info u need and u must relay on others) very bad for a single player game
- driving in 1st person is out of the question u are to low in your seat , the camera keeps resetting when i drive make it impossible to see where u are going
- The game is build for controller first then keyboard (coming from PC game developer this hurts )
- At more then one time i found my self confuse the dialogue and the mission do not flow u must fallow a specific route , some of quest let u in the air with no outcome
- to much of the illusion of having a choose , at the end it dos not matter what text option u have select outcome is the same dialog changes ( perfect illusion for children )
There are allot bad things in this game compare to the wincher some times i wander who actually made this game is not possible that the same developer who give us the wincher to make this .
So yeah i think this expansion shod be free if u have the game. ( is not about 30$ is about making good on what they promise years ago) is bean 2 years and the game is in bad shape .
No. The expansion should not be free. They have fixed the game, given us plenty of free stuff in the patches. To demand a free expansion to 'make up for the bad launch' is a childish stance that makes all gamers look like a bunch of privileged brats.
Beside, I can't imagine CDPR offering for free, the most expensive expansion they ever created. An expansion which has likely cost millions and took years of development...
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