I mean, I hate the ball nerf cause NG was weak, but calling the single ball deck draw dependant is just plain false, was one of the most consistent decks in the meta with the 5prov thinning cards, oneiromancy and Roderick, you have to be insanely unlucky to miss more than 1 gold[and you choose which gold that is]. Was still weak despite that.
You're talking about Hyperthin. Which is a completely different deck.
No way, lets assume The average of cards use in round One its five ir six.
No, I was talking about the single ball deck.
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I have never seen a Single Ball Deck with Oneiromancy before... these decks are Devotion 99.9% of the time....No, I was talking about the single ball deck.
Hyperthin doesn't even run oneiromancy or roderick
Most people complaining about NG are from the lower levels of play where you can see plenty of homebrews. I'm not saying that as an offense. Actually, I'm wondering what it is exactly that made NG have like 57% winrate at rank 16 (that was Formation before the nerfs) and hardly break even at pro.
Pretty sure the reason is not knowing how to play the match-up, eg. not bleeding and simply drypassing or something like that. NG's long round is way better than its short round. And new players (I also did this) tend to just do this because it's "easier" than to actually strategically bleed out the key cards or to go for 2-0.
If the faction can counter and has the option to remove almost anything you put on the board how exactly do you propose bleeding them? I never understood NG players logic of "get good"....lol I'm not a beginner and I have difficulty against NG so I'd love to hear your solution
To be honest none of these except Cahir and maybe Ball is truly game-winning. Not anymore than any other expensive gold card and honestly most of them require set-up to work.
Works just like against every other deck or faction. You're a MO player, right? Remember Kikimore Queen? Losing round one against this deck was almost certainly your end. So you had to BLEED the combo pieces out, otherwise you were pretty much doomed. Exact same thing for NG and every other faction, but you do need to know the cards you want to be gone. That's the whole magic and the "NG players logic of get good". And once again I'm asking the question I almost never get an answer to: How often have you played NG yourself that you can be so sure about the statements you are constantly making about this faction?
I agree Cahir should be reworked though, it's unplayable cause NG can't protect its cards and useless against the dominant SK, but if you can't counter it with a deck that buffs a lot it's basically GG. Not a fun card, Binary.
Damien 5 for 11 provisions, high risk cause everything can kill a 5 and NG defender isn't exactly hard to beat... and the payoff isn't even that great. The same thing goes for Skellen.. maybe they're good on lower ranks, but I mean so are Yghern, Morkwarg, Anseis, and a plethora of other 10 provisions cards, the difference being that these other ones also see play in the pro meta, while Damien and Skellen don't..
I also consider Cahir to be a problem, but the rest? Normal golds which offer decent points for their provisions, just like every other faction's high-end golds.
Except it's not really easy to win round control against NG. Early on they have a wide array of tools to stop your engines, nuke biggies and gain tempo at the same time, so even if you somehow managed to, you probably don't have any cards to spare for a bleed anymore.
Play NG, then tell moe how easy winning round control is with NG.
I do play a janky assimilate thing with a couple of small twists, and if I ever have any issues with winning R1, it's either a really, really bad hand, greedy MO deck, or opponent deciding to go all-out. Literally no another reason. And out of these, only MO stuff happens often.
NG isn't harder to bleed than other factions. Ball is four points on deploy and this should be your main objective to bleed out. NR will often start with Amphibious Assault or ST with something like Justice/Hamadryad. In fact these are way worse.
Again - for any bleed to happen, you must first win R1. Other factions may often be unwilling to commit too hard, precisely because they know that when push comes to shove, NG can whip out several big removals and take the round, despite playing trash units like Magne during it. I also run Lacerate just in case, which kinda solves frigate/treant issues nicely. You don't have to commit as hard as NG, and through this you have a natural advantage early on. Vilgefortz in particular is one hell of a R1 play - catch up in points, ruin their final combo, what's not to love?
