How do characters feel about Doll Chips?? [SPOILERS] + [TRIGGER WARNING]

[koalahugs]

So, first, a bit of background about the doll chip: they're fucking evil bastard things - once you read the lore entry about how they work you quickly realise they basically enable sexual assault because what entails is a non-consensual interaction between client and sex worker (I've included the database entry on doll chips at the bottom of this post - pay particular attention to the last paragraph).

In the world of Cyberpunk I totally get why they would exist - horrible dystopia and all that. However, what confuses me is the fact there doesn't seem to be any outrage or even any sort of opinion amongst characters concerning their use and prevalence. It just seems to be... accepted and taken for granted? (Unless I'm missing something, in which case, please fill me in.)

For example, while Judy is rightfully enraged by what Woodman does to Evelyn, she still seems indifferent about doll chips - which makes no sense because after reading the database where it says, "dolls are completely unaware of what happens to them during the session" that essentially means that every time a client sleeps with a sex worker with the chip activated, it is effectively rape. (Consent is a state that has to be consciously maintained at all times)

So while they try to liberate Clouds from the Tyger Claws, which is great, it just seems bizarre to me how, as a player, I still have zero idea how they actually feel about doll chips given how horrendously relevant the ethical concerns are to the inciting incident. I understand Judy micro-nukes Roxanne and Tom's... but that seems to be more out of concern over their weaponisation, rather than how harmful they already are.

And then there's Johnny who, for some reason, holds Roxanne and Tom in contempt. Considering the parallels with the Relic (and we know how he feels about that) you'd think he'd have strong opinions about doll-chips and want to help them out.

So, I dunno, what do you guys think? Is it just me or are the characters wierdly lacking opinions on this?

Doll Chip lore entry:

"Originally created in a military lab, the doll chip found its true calling in the entertainment industry - specifically, the sex industry. It is comprised of three main functions - importing data from systems, steering the doll's behaviour in-session and wiping the doll's memory after each and every session.

The last function has turned out to be very attractive to applicants looking to work in dollhouses.

Clients are also on board - the dolls are completely unaware of what happens to them during the session, giving the clients absolute freedom and discretion. It's a win-win... right?"

 

[AlienSpaceBats]

I think Judy in particular should be 100% against doll chips, especially following Evelyn's fate; the only difference between what happens with a doll & client and Woodman & Evelyn being vague consent in the former.

Johnny is ... contradictory and inconsistent in his opinions at the best of times(!)

But for characters in the game world, I put it down as an example of accepted dehumanization - another cyberpunk genre trope that become more disturbing and potentially horrific the more you consider and explore them (see also: Meat Puppets).

 

[AikoHayashi]

I understand that this is quite disturbing, but in this dystopian future, people accept dolls as something normal. Judy seems even proud of the quality doll stuff in Evelyn and her only goal after Evelyn's death is to make the dolls independent. Also, being a doll seems to be a free choice.

 

[hulkman2456]

In the world of Cyberpunk I totally get why they would exist - horrible dystopia and all that. However, what confuses me is the fact there doesn't seem to be any outrage or even any sort of opinion amongst characters concerning their use and prevalence. It just seems to be... accepted and taken for granted? (Unless I'm missing something, in which case, please fill me in.)

You don't count V killing XYZ characters because what happened to EVE?

 

[koalahugs]

I think Judy in particular should be 100% against doll chips, especially following Evelyn's fate; the only difference between what happens with a doll & client and Woodman & Evelyn being vague consent in the former.

Johnny is ... contradictory and inconsistent in his opinions at the best of times(!)

But for characters in the game world, I put it down as an example of accepted dehumanization - another cyberpunk genre trope that become more disturbing and potentially horrific the more you consider and explore them (see also: Meat Puppets).

That makes a lot of sense, especially your point about accepted dehumanisation. I guess it's like how people take for granted the slaughtering of animals when they see shrink wrapped meat in the supermarket.

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You don't count V killing XYZ characters because what happened to EVE?

I don't follow. There's a conversation with Johnny where he calls V out on killing a lot/being a hypocrite. There's even a gun that reacts to the fact V kills a lot. Generally speaking, killing was a topic that was definitely addressed by characters; it wasn't ignored or glossed over.

 

[Robotic_Onion]

It is surprising that they seem to work mostly in the Sex Industry given how easily they could jump around specialist roles. One minute the Doll could be in Accounting the next minute in the Warehouse doing maintence on Forklifts, Delivery vehicles etc and then go do building maintence. They dont even need breaks and are barely considered Human. You could have Dolls working 16 hour Shifts without breaks and poor pay.
Why are the Greedy corporations not taking advantage of such a labour supply that could fill any role that is needed? If Judy can make Kung Fu Dolls surely the Corps could do the same for any purpose they need.

For example, while Judy is rightfully enraged by what Woodman does to Evelyn, she still seems indifferent about doll chips - which makes no sense because after reading the database where it says, "dolls are completely unaware of what happens to them during the session" that essentially means that every time a client sleeps with a sex worker with the chip activated, it is effectively rape. (Consent is a state that has to be consciously maintained at all times)

I think Judy is not Ok with the whole Doll thing but knows she cant stop it and tries to help them in other ways. Clouds is just the only place were we the player see Dolls with the Doll Chip activated. Lorewise they are all over NC.
-In her Apartment she has plans for a Doll Emergency break were the Doll can go into a Protective mode in case they feel pain or is in danger. Forgot were exactly been a while since I played.
-She quit working at Clouds and i doubt Maiko is the only reason.
-She says she only works on BDs were everyone is willingly taking part.
-She tries to take over Cloud to protect the Dolls even if Woodman is dead.

And then there's Johnny who, for some reason, holds Roxanne and Tom in contempt. Considering the parallels with the Relic (and we know how he feels about that) you'd think he'd have strong opinions about doll-chips and want to help them out.

Johnny hates Dollhouses and Dolls, he complains about going to Clouds and says it should be burned down and calls the Dolls "Sex Zombies". Johnny is all about freedom and i can see why willingly turning yourself into a Sex Slave would upset him.
Their is also a difference between the Doll chip and a Engram. johnny still behaves the way he always has, a Doll has no choice in how they behave once the program starts. Johnny had no coice in the matter, as far as i can tell the Dolls at Clouds are all working their on their own free will.

I understand that this is quite disturbing, but in this dystopian future, people accept dolls as something normal. Judy seems even proud of the quality doll stuff in Evelyn and her only goal after Evelyn's death is to make the dolls independent. Also, being a doll seems to be a free choice.

Some Dollhouses use kidnapped people and implant Doll chips against their will. (Their is a Cyberpsycho quest were a ex Spec Ops Soldiers Daughter gets kidnapped and forced to become a Doll)

So, I dunno, what do you guys think? Is it just me or are the characters wierdly lacking opinions on this?

it is hard to say. Since in game we get very little conversation with or about them.

- We know Johnny is against Doll chips.
- Evelyn hates being one. Since she is willing to risk her life to escape being a Doll.
-Judy seems to not like Doll Chips, she never states so tough and I am judging by her actions and notes.
-The 1st time we talk to Tom, he seems Ok with being a Doll and talks about how they are taken care of.
-Roxanne I am not sure about. We only get a few lines of text from her at Judy Apartment and we never see or hear from her again.
-Outside of Clouds their are two NPCs by a booth by the Elevator who talk about Dolls. Never payed them to much attention but the discussion is about Dolls and sex, if its cheating or similiar to having a blowup doll. Never really stayed and listened just got a few words running past.

 

[AikoHayashi]

It is surprising that they seem to work mostly in the Sex Industry given how easily they could jump around specialist roles. One minute the Doll could be in Accounting the next minute in the Warehouse doing maintence on Forklifts, Delivery vehicles etc and then go do building maintence. They dont even need breaks and are barely considered Human. You could have Dolls working 16 hour Shifts without breaks and poor pay.
Why are the Greedy corporations not taking advantage of such a labour supply that could fill any role that is needed? If Judy can make Kung Fu Dolls surely the Corps could do the same for any purpose they need.



I think Judy is not Ok with the whole Doll thing but knows she cant stop it and tries to help them in other ways. Clouds is just the only place were we the player see Dolls with the Doll Chip activated. Lorewise they are all over NC.
-In her Apartment she has plans for a Doll Emergency break were the Doll can go into a Protective mode in case they feel pain or is in danger. Forgot were exactly been a while since I played.
-She quit working at Clouds and i doubt Maiko is the only reason.
-She says she only works on BDs were everyone is willingly taking part.
-She tries to take over Cloud to protect the Dolls even if Woodman is dead.


Johnny hates Dollhouses and Dolls, he complains about going to Clouds and says it should be burned down and calls the Dolls "Sex Zombies". Johnny is all about freedom and i can see why willingly turning yourself into a Sex Slave would upset him.
Their is also a difference between the Doll chip and a Engram. johnny still behaves the way he always has, a Doll has no choice in how they behave once the program starts. Johnny had no coice in the matter, as far as i can tell the Dolls at Clouds are all working their on their own free will.


Some Dollhouses use kidnapped people and implant Doll chips against their will. (Their is a Cyberpsycho quest were a ex Spec Ops Soldiers Daughter gets kidnapped and forced to become a Doll)


it is hard to say. Since in game we get very little conversation with or about them.

- We know Johnny is against Doll chips.
- Evelyn hates being one. Since she is willing to risk her life to escape being a Doll.
-Judy seems to not like Doll Chips, she never states so tough and I am judging by her actions and notes.
-The 1st time we talk to Tom, he seems Ok with being a Doll and talks about how they are taken care of.
-Roxanne I am not sure about. We only get a few lines of text from her at Judy Apartment and we never see or hear from her again.
-Outside of Clouds their are two NPCs by a booth by the Elevator who talk about Dolls. Never payed them to much attention but the discussion is about Dolls and sex, if its cheating or similiar to having a blowup doll. Never really stayed and listened just got a few words running past.

Some people are indeed forced to be dolls, but for the majority, this seems to be just a job, just like nowadays a lot of people work in the sex industry just because they want to (they probably like it, or they like the money, no idea what it in their heads). About the doll chips, Judy even adapts them to make Tom and Roxanne fighters ( not against their will), so she doesn't seem disturbed about all this stuff...V receives a lot of fixers/NPCD quest where the villains can receive what they deserve so even in this dystopian future harvesting people for their implants, forcing people to do stuff, killing people and making BD and etc are not the norm.

 

[Ayinde_Palmer]

So, first, a bit of background about the doll chip: they're fucking evil bastard things - once you read the lore entry about how they work you quickly realise they basically enable sexual assault because what entails is a non-consensual interaction between client and sex worker (I've included the database entry on doll chips at the bottom of this post - pay particular attention to the last paragraph).

In the world of Cyberpunk I totally get why they would exist - horrible dystopia and all that. However, what confuses me is the fact there doesn't seem to be any outrage or even any sort of opinion amongst characters concerning their use and prevalence. It just seems to be... accepted and taken for granted? (Unless I'm missing something, in which case, please fill me in.)

For example, while Judy is rightfully enraged by what Woodman does to Evelyn, she still seems indifferent about doll chips - which makes no sense because after reading the database where it says, "dolls are completely unaware of what happens to them during the session" that essentially means that every time a client sleeps with a sex worker with the chip activated, it is effectively rape. (Consent is a state that has to be consciously maintained at all times)

So while they try to liberate Clouds from the Tyger Claws, which is great, it just seems bizarre to me how, as a player, I still have zero idea how they actually feel about doll chips given how horrendously relevant the ethical concerns are to the inciting incident. I understand Judy micro-nukes Roxanne and Tom's... but that seems to be more out of concern over their weaponisation, rather than how harmful they already are.

And then there's Johnny who, for some reason, holds Roxanne and Tom in contempt. Considering the parallels with the Relic (and we know how he feels about that) you'd think he'd have strong opinions about doll-chips and want to help them out.

So, I dunno, what do you guys think? Is it just me or are the characters wierdly lacking opinions on this?

Doll Chip lore entry:

"Originally created in a military lab, the doll chip found its true calling in the entertainment industry - specifically, the sex industry. It is comprised of three main functions - importing data from systems, steering the doll's behaviour in-session and wiping the doll's memory after each and every session.

The last function has turned out to be very attractive to applicants looking to work in dollhouses.

Clients are also on board - the dolls are completely unaware of what happens to them during the session, giving the clients absolute freedom and discretion. It's a win-win... right?"

The dolls are selling their bodies, literally. But for most of them its their choice. The world is one where exploitation is in every facet of life. Everyone is selling themselves for survival, so the average person probably only makes a personal decision, not a societal one. People are required to install cyberware for their jobs, subject themselves to monitoring, getting fired is sometimes a death sentence. This is normal in this society, it is assumed the only way to live an OK life is to sacrifice personal freedoms and allow yourself to be exploited. Otherwise you have to live outside of society like the homeless or nomads. This is probably why there are so many sub societies, like gangs, mercs, etc.

essentially, the society is built on exploitation, and I don't think there is any legal, or cultural limit to exploitation in mainstream society. Other than contractual.

 

[koalahugs]

I think Judy is not Ok with the whole Doll thing but knows she cant stop it and tries to help them in other ways. Clouds is just the only place were we the player see Dolls with the Doll Chip activated. Lorewise they are all over NC.
-In her Apartment she has plans for a Doll Emergency break were the Doll can go into a Protective mode in case they feel pain or is in danger. Forgot were exactly been a while since I played.

Ohhhh that's really interesting, I totally missed that. I'm guessing it's text on her computer or something? See, it's exactly that sort of thing I was expecting a character to talk about out loud.

Johnny hates Dollhouses and Dolls, he complains about going to Clouds and says it should be burned down and calls the Dolls "Sex Zombies". Johnny is all about freedom and i can see why willingly turning yourself into a Sex Slave would upset him.

Hmm, that's a really good point - so basically he views them almost like "sell-outs" in a way... I can definitely see how that's consistent with his character. Given the contempt he has for V if they relinquish control to Arasaka, it makes total sense that he would have contempt for the dolls too. But, man, you'd think he'd be a little more sympathetic to the reasons why people would turn to slavery in the first place, given his recognition of what the "corpo-kleptocracy" has done to society.

it is hard to say. Since in game we get very little conversation with or about them.

- We know Johnny is against Doll chips.
- Evelyn hates being one. Since she is willing to risk her life to escape being a Doll.
-Judy seems to not like Doll Chips, she never states so tough and I am judging by her actions and notes.
-The 1st time we talk to Tom, he seems Ok with being a Doll and talks about how they are taken care of.
-Roxanne I am not sure about. We only get a few lines of text from her at Judy Apartment and we never see or hear from her again.

Right, right... I mean this is the thing, isn't it? It's sorta there on some level but it's kinda glossed over, which I think is a missed opportunity. Totally get why the general NC population would take it for granted but as for some of the main cast, I guess I feel it would've been effective if, say, Evelyn would express some sort of pain about being a sex slave (or in Judy's case, the pain of seeing your friends go through that). In fact, if Evelyn had a monologue like that, that would've potentially been amazing - like Julia Garner in Ozark amazing. If anyone's seen all of Ozark, hopefully people will get what I mean. Sadly, I can't find a clip...

 

[Ayinde_Palmer]

It is surprising that they seem to work mostly in the Sex Industry given how easily they could jump around specialist roles. One minute the Doll could be in Accounting the next minute in the Warehouse doing maintence on Forklifts, Delivery vehicles etc and then go do building maintence. They dont even need breaks and are barely considered Human. You could have Dolls working 16 hour Shifts without breaks and poor pay.
Why are the Greedy corporations not taking advantage of such a labour supply that could fill any role that is needed? If Judy can make Kung Fu Dolls surely the Corps could do the same for any purpose they need.



I think Judy is not Ok with the whole Doll thing but knows she cant stop it and tries to help them in other ways. Clouds is just the only place were we the player see Dolls with the Doll Chip activated. Lorewise they are all over NC.
-In her Apartment she has plans for a Doll Emergency break were the Doll can go into a Protective mode in case they feel pain or is in danger. Forgot were exactly been a while since I played.
-She quit working at Clouds and i doubt Maiko is the only reason.
-She says she only works on BDs were everyone is willingly taking part.
-She tries to take over Cloud to protect the Dolls even if Woodman is dead.


Johnny hates Dollhouses and Dolls, he complains about going to Clouds and says it should be burned down and calls the Dolls "Sex Zombies". Johnny is all about freedom and i can see why willingly turning yourself into a Sex Slave would upset him.
Their is also a difference between the Doll chip and a Engram. johnny still behaves the way he always has, a Doll has no choice in how they behave once the program starts. Johnny had no coice in the matter, as far as i can tell the Dolls at Clouds are all working their on their own free will.


Some Dollhouses use kidnapped people and implant Doll chips against their will. (Their is a Cyberpsycho quest were a ex Spec Ops Soldiers Daughter gets kidnapped and forced to become a Doll)


it is hard to say. Since in game we get very little conversation with or about them.

- We know Johnny is against Doll chips.
- Evelyn hates being one. Since she is willing to risk her life to escape being a Doll.
-Judy seems to not like Doll Chips, she never states so tough and I am judging by her actions and notes.
-The 1st time we talk to Tom, he seems Ok with being a Doll and talks about how they are taken care of.
-Roxanne I am not sure about. We only get a few lines of text from her at Judy Apartment and we never see or hear from her again.
-Outside of Clouds their are two NPCs by a booth by the Elevator who talk about Dolls. Never payed them to much attention but the discussion is about Dolls and sex, if its cheating or similiar to having a blowup doll. Never really stayed and listened just got a few words running past.

I don't know if Evelyn hates being a doll, its implied she doesn't particularly mind it. Rather, she seems to want more from life, wants to win big, not simply escape. She wants the high life. However, Evelyn appears to have more control of her chip, she is contracted as a doll for yorinobu, but she retains control, and apparently memories. I wonder how she did it, judy? Voodooboys? her own abilities? Judy at some point says she is extremely good at her work, is she doing some modified doll work? incorporating the ability of the chip to understand a person's deepest desires with her own will? or did s
Judy mean braindance work?

 

[Simpson3000]

If prostitutes in Cyberpunk 2077 gave their consent to get a dollchip implanted then they did so to not live on street and risking starvation or getting killed by gunfire (if they did not give consent for the chip its slavery or something similar, wich is common either in NC afaik)

Means if they had a choice every in this regard, they could refuse and some other prostitute would get that chip, i am sure there is no shortage in woman who would agree to it full aware of the meaning of it only for a chance to survive at all.

 

[simon_brooke]

So, first, a bit of background about the doll chip: they're fucking evil bastard things - once you read the lore entry about how they work you quickly realise they basically enable sexual assault because what entails is a non-consensual interaction between client and sex worker (I've included the database entry on doll chips at the bottom of this post - pay particular attention to the last paragraph).

In the world of Cyberpunk I totally get why they would exist - horrible dystopia and all that. However, what confuses me is the fact there doesn't seem to be any outrage or even any sort of opinion amongst characters concerning their use and prevalence. It just seems to be... accepted and taken for granted? (Unless I'm missing something, in which case, please fill me in.)

For example, while Judy is rightfully enraged by what Woodman does to Evelyn, she still seems indifferent about doll chips - which makes no sense because after reading the database where it says, "dolls are completely unaware of what happens to them during the session" that essentially means that every time a client sleeps with a sex worker with the chip activated, it is effectively rape. (Consent is a state that has to be consciously maintained at all times)

So while they try to liberate Clouds from the Tyger Claws, which is great, it just seems bizarre to me how, as a player, I still have zero idea how they actually feel about doll chips given how horrendously relevant the ethical concerns are to the inciting incident. I understand Judy micro-nukes Roxanne and Tom's... but that seems to be more out of concern over their weaponisation, rather than how harmful they already are.

And then there's Johnny who, for some reason, holds Roxanne and Tom in contempt. Considering the parallels with the Relic (and we know how he feels about that) you'd think he'd have strong opinions about doll-chips and want to help them out.

So, I dunno, what do you guys think? Is it just me or are the characters wierdly lacking opinions on this?

Doll Chip lore entry:

"Originally created in a military lab, the doll chip found its true calling in the entertainment industry - specifically, the sex industry. It is comprised of three main functions - importing data from systems, steering the doll's behaviour in-session and wiping the doll's memory after each and every session.

The last function has turned out to be very attractive to applicants looking to work in dollhouses.

Clients are also on board - the dolls are completely unaware of what happens to them during the session, giving the clients absolute freedom and discretion. It's a win-win... right?"

First: I AM NOT DEFENDING THIS, RIGHT?

But, if the sex-worker genuinely has no memory of the interaction, they presumably cannot sustain mental trauma from it. And, provided they consented to having the doll chip fitted, knowing this was the consequence, so it's arguable that it is 'consensual non-consent' (although of course within the context of a money transaction in a world in which there's no real social safety net, how coerced that consent is is arguable).

In the Cyberpunk world, it may be considered that this protection from mental trauma, and degree of consent, is sufficient to make the process acceptable-ish, in the sense of being less bad than a lot of the awful stuff that happens normally in this world.

Remember, also, that while Judy doesn't seem to morally appalled by doll chips, she is upset that Evelyn went back to Dreams even before she knows about the rape, and I'm pretty sure there's a point where Judy says there's no way she'd use a doll chip herself. So in a sense I think you can see this of an attitude of "it's shit, but it happens and there's not much we can do about it", rather than "it's completely fine, go right ahead".

 

[Robotic_Onion]

I don't know if Evelyn hates being a doll, its implied she doesn't particularly mind it. Rather, she seems to want more from life, wants to win big, not simply escape. She wants the high life. However, Evelyn appears to have more control of her chip, she is contracted as a doll for yorinobu, but she retains control, and apparently memories. I wonder how she did it, judy? Voodooboys? her own abilities? Judy at some point says she is extremely good at her work, is she doing some modified doll work? incorporating the ability of the chip to understand a person's deepest desires with her own will? or did s
Judy mean braindance work?

I dont think at Yorinobos she had her Doll Gear activated. Since in the Brain Dance V says, they can feel she is afraid when seeing Adam Smasher and as far as I know when the Doll chip is activated they cease to have emotions. The fact that she remembers the events also makes me believe it since once the Chip gets turned off the memories get removed.

I think she is just a good actress and intelligent. She fooled the Voodo Boys into thinking she was just some dumb prostitude, tricked Dex into leaving his hiding hole and start being a fixer again, and convinced V (Even tough Corpo V can tell something is off) to do the heist and somehow convinced Yorinobo to keep seeing her even tough he could have anyone he wanted.

 

[fchopin]

It is not rape because the person involved agreed to this and knows they will not remember.

 

[Darkibone]

I think it was Judy who told me (well, V) that it might be for the better that the dolls at least do not have to remember the session...
Can work as a kind of safeguard against psychological problems, essentially.

And I can imagine that given the choice, actual sex worker in our real world might welcome the possibillity of not remembering some of their customers...

That said, the reason why the chips work that way is for confidentialy, essentially only for the benefit of the client. The dolls are just an afterthought, if at all.
That does reflect more on society than on the technology though...

 

[simon_brooke]

I dont think at Yorinobos she had her Doll Gear activated. Since in the Brain Dance V says, they can feel she is afraid when seeing Adam Smasher and as far as I know when the Doll chip is activated they cease to have emotions. The fact that she remembers the events also makes me believe it since once the Chip gets turned off the memories get removed.

If a doll didn't have emotions, they couldn't be a very good sex partner/courtesan/prostitute. Sex is a messy emotional business, and no one (especially not Yorinobo Arasaka, who could afford literally any sex worker in the city) is going to pay money for clinical unemotional sex. Dolls must have emotions. The emotions may be forgotten afterwards, but they have to be expressed in the moment.

I agree, though, that it's highly unlikely that a top class courtesan is going to be in 'doll mode'. If you can pay that much money you'll want real sex (just as in Night City it's only the very rich who can afford real food).

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It is not rape because the person involved agreed to this and knows they will not remember.

I agree it's not rape if the person agreed to have the doll-chip implanted. But it's in the lore that some dolls are people abducted off the street and forcibly chipped.

 

[Ayinde_Palmer]

I dont think at Yorinobos she had her Doll Gear activated. Since in the Brain Dance V says, they can feel she is afraid when seeing Adam Smasher and as far as I know when the Doll chip is activated they cease to have emotions. The fact that she remembers the events also makes me believe it since once the Chip gets turned off the memories get removed.

I think she is just a good actress and intelligent. She fooled the Voodo Boys into thinking she was just some dumb prostitude, tricked Dex into leaving his hiding hole and start being a fixer again, and convinced V (Even tough Corpo V can tell something is off) to do the heist and somehow convinced Yorinobo to keep seeing her even tough he could have anyone he wanted.

Thats possible, but would the company normally allow that? Maybe they generally profit from learning secrets, and they also would be responsible for whatever she does while faking doll mode. However, maybe she has a special situation with yorinobu.

I think doll chip do have emotions, the whole reason they aren't just robots, is because its like a real person, but who subconsciously knows/is what you want.

Interestingly, I see in the wiki their is a shard, that implies there is some skill or motivation involved.

Dollhouse Feedback

Dollhouse Feedback is a readable shard in Cyberpunk 2077. Can be found on a coffee table in Maiko Maeda's office at Clouds during Ex-Factor.

cyberpunk.fandom.com

 

[koalahugs]

It is not rape because the person involved agreed to this and knows they will not remember.

No because the condition of consensual sex is not satisfied by an agreement made previously at a single point in time; it requires a continuous state of mutual agreement and willingness and awareness throughout the entire duration of the act itself between the people involved.

So, for starters, both people need to be awake. One of the obvious reasons why is because it's important you're able to change your mind at any given moment for any reason. If you're asleep, drugged, or in this case chipped, you're not in a position to do any of that. You wouldn't be in any position to maintain or revoke consent, let alone maintain or revoke a "prior agreement". So if someone is having sex with a person who is in that state, it is definitely sexual assault - doesn't matter what was said or "agreed" the day, the year, the month before or whatever because it would be impossible to know if they were still wanting to have sex in that actual moment.

 

[fchopin]

No because the condition of consensual sex is not satisfied by an agreement made previously at a single point in time; it requires a continuous state of mutual agreement and willingness and awareness throughout the entire duration of the act itself between the people involved.

So, for starters, both people need to be awake. One of the obvious reasons why is because it's important you're able to change your mind at any given moment for any reason. If you're asleep, drugged, or in this case chipped, you're not in a position to do any of that. You wouldn't be in any position to maintain or revoke consent, let alone maintain or revoke a "prior agreement". So if someone is having sex with a person who is in that state, it is definitely sexual assault - doesn't matter what was said or "agreed" the day, the year, the month before or whatever because it would be impossible to know if they were still wanting to have sex in that actual moment.

Sorry you are mistaken.
The people who agree to have the chip implanted know that they will agree to do whatever the persons likes to do and they scan the person and implant this in the dolls mind so it can be automated.

If the scan finds out the the customer wants to kill the doll then this will not be permitted and that is how the black market came in to existence.

There are also feelings from the dolls as they are programed for this to satisfy the customer.
If the dolls wishes to stop this then they are free to go any time they want.

 

[koalahugs]

Sorry you are mistaken.
The people who agree to have the chip implanted know that they will agree to do whatever the persons likes to do and they scan the person and implant this in the dolls mind so it can be automated.

If the scan finds out the the customer wants to kill the doll then this will not be permitted and that is how the black market came in to existence.

There are also feelings from the dolls as they are programed for this to satisfy the customer.
If the dolls wishes to stop this then they are free to go any time they want.

How am I mistaken? It literally says in the database entry that the sex worker is "completely unaware.. during the session". So, based on that, no, consent is impossible. And if Robotic_Onion is right about Judy working on a "Doll Emergency Break" system, then that would imply one doesn't exist. Where are you getting this idea the doll has control to stop a session at any time?