Altered Carbon on Netflix

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Altered Carbon on Netflix

Sticking my head out after a couple years to post this. I didn't see it posted on the latest 4 or so pages.

Netflix has a new original cyberpunk series called Altered Carbon. I'm 3 episodes in, and so far it has delivered. Here is the trailer. Having hard time embedding the video, so link only.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhFM8akm9a4
 
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We've been discussing it in the Forlorn Hope and the Cyberpunk Media thread.

It is a good show thus far. I'm on episode 3.

I think there's an important distinction, though... It's not 'cyberpunk'. Not in the classic sense of the word. It's cyberpunk in visuals alone, and even then, it's a little too futuristic. I'd say it's sci-fi more than anything.
 
Snowflakez;n10396642 said:
I think there's an important distinction, though... It's not 'cyberpunk'. Not in the classic sense of the word. It's cyberpunk in visuals alone, and even then, it's a little too futuristic. I'd say it's sci-fi more than anything.

I disagree. I think a Fixer-turned-Solo-turned-Angel-turned-revolutionary-turned streetscum PI is very cyberpunk. The tech is high, but not lacking a visceral realism (viz: being decanted, getting shot through the head and not cleanly disintegrated, drugs working like drugs, flying cars but only for the rich) and the life is very very low.

Cyberpunk isn't limited to one tech-era. The Matrix is pretty advanced. Gibson's Sprawl series has a VR realm containing all of reality. You can check the suggested reading out of the Corebook and it lists Voice of the Whirlwind and angel Station, both with similar tech levels to AC. Movies include Total Recall and Overdrawn at the Memory Bank. Blade Runner and AC share huge similarities.

Whereas you can have a game actually set in CP2020 featuring ACPA, Corporates, space travel and politics and not be cyberpunk at all.
 
I FUCKING HATE THIS SHOW. its so AWFUL. And that mexican cop is the worse actress i have ever seen. joel kinnaman is awful in everything i already knew that going in. piss poor adaptation.
 
Sardukhar;n10396692 said:
I disagree. I think a Fixer-turned-Solo-turned-Angel-turned-revolutionary-turned streetscum PI is very cyberpunk. The tech is high, but not lacking a visceral realism (viz: being decanted, getting shot through the head and not cleanly disintegrated, drugs working like drugs, flying cars but only for the rich) and the life is very very low.

Cyberpunk isn't limited to one tech-era. The Matrix is pretty advanced. Gibson's Sprawl series has a VR realm containing all of reality. You can check the suggested reading out of the Corebook and it lists Voice of the Whirlwind and angel Station, both with similar tech levels to AC. Movies include Total Recall and Overdrawn at the Memory Bank. Blade Runner and AC share huge similarities.

Whereas you can have a game actually set in CP2020 featuring ACPA, Corporates, space travel and politics and not be cyberpunk at all.

Good points.

animalfather;n10397332 said:
I FUCKING HATE THIS SHOW. its so AWFUL. And that mexican cop is the worse actress i have ever seen. joel kinnaman is awful in everything i already knew that going in. piss poor adaptation.

Phew.

I'm not a fan of the cop lady either, but I like Joel's acting here. Still, the show isn't for everyone, clearly. I hadn't read the book(s?), I may give it(them?) a shot.
 
animalfather;n10397332 said:
I FUCKING HATE THIS SHOW. its so AWFUL. And that mexican cop is the worse actress i have ever seen. joel kinnaman is awful in everything i already knew that going in. piss poor adaptation.

lmao who cares about original lore? Can't wait to see aliens in Cyberpunk 2077!
 
It's not as good as I'd hoped and has tempered my expectations for The Witcher. Frankly, the talent in a lot of areas is mid tier: writing, dialog, acting, casting etc. They really fucked up with some roles, like Miriam Bancroft and Kristin Ortega - nothing like the book characters.
 
to be fair im not a huge fan of altered carbon, i always thought it was on of the lesser CP legends. Would have LOVED if netflix went with Neuromancer instead.

Garrison72;n10397662 said:
It's not as good as I'd hoped and has tempered my expectations for The Witcher. Frankly, the talent in a lot of areas is mid tier: writing, dialog, acting, casting etc. They really fucked up with some roles, like Miriam Bancroft and Kristin Ortega - nothing like the book characters.

miriam is suppose to be this 25yo SMOKING hot babe and they hired that washed up old thing. and ortega....shes 5'1 and cant act.
 
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animalfather;n10397692 said:
to be fair im not a huge fan of altered carbon, i always thought it was on of the lesser CP legends. Would have LOVED if netflix went with Neuromancer instead.



miriam is suppose to be this 25yo SMOKING hot babe and they hired that washed up old thing. and ortega....shes 5'1 and cant act.

I REALLY did not like the Ortega woman's acting... I feel bad for saying it because it's clear she's really trying, but I just can't get over it. Zero emotion. Unrealistic. Blech.

Like I said, though, I love Joel's acting. It's probably a personal preference thing, but I've loved him in every show he's been in. The Killing and House of Cards in particular.

I actually haven't read Nerumancer yet... I know, I know... I might pick it up in audiobook form if there's a good one, though. I have nothing against reading, I just like to listen to stuff while I get my work done during the day.

Garrison72;n10397662 said:
It's not as good as I'd hoped and has tempered my expectations for The Witcher. Frankly, the talent in a lot of areas is mid tier: writing, dialog, acting, casting etc. They really fucked up with some roles, like Miriam Bancroft and Kristin Ortega - nothing like the book characters.

Yeah, I'm not at all excited for the Witcher show. I'm terrified, in fact. The showrunner is almost certainly going to force politics into it (I've said it before, I don't care which politics -- left, right, center -- they are, I don't want them where they don't belong) based on her track record and I don't care for her past work... Minus Daredevil. That was a pretty OK show.
 
Joel was quite good. I liked Poe as well. But that was about it, character wise. And switching genders on the hacker lady was cringey. She wasn't given a man's sleeve in the books.
 
I still have 50 pages to finish the first book, I'll eventually write a review about it in another topic, but I've watched the first episode and... I thought it was pretty good. I've notice myriads of small changes that can go all butterfly effect in the future and change the story more or not... Some of these changes seem to be along the lines of not referencing real religions like there's the arch-diocese, and very little mention of "neo-catholic" characters, as opposed to making it all about how it's catholics that have this different relationship with storing and resleeving, also I suppose that they won't go into the Sharia thing (though that would be a point where something that could be perceived as political correctness would actually be censoring what I understand as clear anti-irak/afghanistan war undertones, taking into account when the book was written... and that's kinda sad).

I also thought that the expository bits about how the cortical stack works were too handholding and that showrunners should respect the audience's intelligence more, that they could have understood all of that from context and more natural dialogue... but they pulled it off kinda decently.

I was also pretty worried by the trailers that portrayed the scene of Kovacs's resleeving too much in the vein of Robocop remake or any story about a "man out of time"... but no, in the episode itself, they make it clear that it's not such a big deal for him, as here in the series he's still been a user of this technology for his whole life. I mean, you see the scene with the shouting in front of the mirror, and listen to some of the lines out of context and you would think that they're changing Kovacs into some kind of "I-never-asked-for-this-Adam-Jensen-type". But it's not the case. I thought Kinnaman was great, and I've never liked him in anything before. He's an asshole, pretty much like Kovacs in the books if not a bit more.

I don't know about Ortega... there was this very short shot of her face as she saw Kovacs but as the show progressed... I don't know if they're going to go the same route as the book... because I'm not sure she had the same reaction? I also pictured her a lot more tomboyish in the book.

The scenes and the setting are somewhat different but not distracting. They fit the visual nature of a show. The Mansion of the Sun of Bancroft is nothing like I pictured from the description in the book, nor is Miriam Bancroft, but I suppose her looking more like a MILF... telegraphs better what kind of character she is for a show. Bancroft is OK, though a lot younger looking that his sleeve in the book.

The Hotel is not the Hendrix... I don't know why? Probably image rights? The Raven with an Edgar Alan Poe AI was a nice tradeoff, though, and maybe they can do something with how that kind of persona fits with a world where people don't really die and where someone can walk away in the sleeve of your loved one as he or she is stuck with another one...

More than anything I think I'll praise the visual presentation in general: aesthetics, special effects, photography and coreography. One thing that I'll say has been putting me off with the book is that it doesn't help you visualize, as many places, things and characters are never physically described, even in their first appearance, sometimes failing to cause an impression, which becomes annoying when the writer decides to rescue them again and you don't remember them.
 
P.s. I'm also eager to find out if my country will play a part in the tv series. I was a bit unimpressed by my perceived lack of meaning behind the appearance of "El valle de los caídos" in the novel, thought they could have done so much more than "a person had money and she bought it and uses it as one of its bases of operations"...
It's a very controversial site, wouldn't you know, so I don't know if they'll even touch it with a seven thousand kilometer pole... but it would be kinda fun if they did.
 
There is also a cyberpunk movie being posted to netflix on feb 23 called Mute if your interested. You can go on netflix now and watch the trailer. It look really interesting.
 
DarthRaver8686;n10401552 said:
There is also a cyberpunk movie being posted to netflix on feb 23 called Mute if your interested. You can go on netflix now and watch the trailer. It look really interesting.

staring another swede that cant act...


Lisbeth_Salander;n10401522 said:
Our gameplay god has spoken:

THANK GOD! if CDPR praised the show we would know the game is in trouble. BASED CDPR
 
animalfather;n10401582 said:
staring another swede that cant act...




THANK GOD! if CDPR praised the show we would know the game is in trouble. BASED CDPR

Who is Kyle Rowley?
 
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