animalfather;n10401582 said:
Or they could, you know, have their own respectable opinion.
Or they could, you know, have their own respectable opinion.
Snowflakez;n10401762 said:
He is an experienced game designer who specialises in gameplay system design, but has a good understanding of level and encounter design. He is currently an Associate Design Director at CD PROJEKT RED.
Or perhaps you should ask the man himself. KyleRowley, who are you?
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Lisbeth_Salander;n10402272 said:
I don't think his opinion on a Netflix show is all that relevant to 2077's development, though. But thanks for the information, I hadn't heard of him before.
We, in our house, really enjoy it.
I don't find the acting flat at all, I enjoy Kristin Ortega and Miriam Bancroft, who is both hot and gives the impression of being not-20-anymore.
Kovacs did pretend to be Lizzie's mother, cross-sleeved.
There was no Raven, no Poe. The hotel was the Hendrix . The Poe character is much more interesting.
They changed multiple details about Quellchrist Falconer, The Envoy Corps ( Hey! They used to work for the UN Protectorate, who built and trained them!) and what happened to the Envoys on Shariya and Innenin.
He is certainly -not- the "Last Envoy". Nonsense. Bad Hollywood.
I'm liking it a lot and think we should be grateful to get such a highly-produced, obviously-loved-by-it's-producers Cyberpunk series. Could it be better? Absolutely. Could it be much worse? Without question.
I know at least one other Red who also likes it. So....THE GAME IS IN TROUBLE?!!!! OH NOES. [COLOR=inherit !important]
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I don't find the acting flat at all, I enjoy Kristin Ortega and Miriam Bancroft, who is both hot and gives the impression of being not-20-anymore.
Kovacs did pretend to be Lizzie's mother, cross-sleeved.
There was no Raven, no Poe. The hotel was the Hendrix . The Poe character is much more interesting.
They changed multiple details about Quellchrist Falconer, The Envoy Corps ( Hey! They used to work for the UN Protectorate, who built and trained them!) and what happened to the Envoys on Shariya and Innenin.
He is certainly -not- the "Last Envoy". Nonsense. Bad Hollywood.
I'm liking it a lot and think we should be grateful to get such a highly-produced, obviously-loved-by-it's-producers Cyberpunk series. Could it be better? Absolutely. Could it be much worse? Without question.
I know at least one other Red who also likes it. So....THE GAME IS IN TROUBLE?!!!! OH NOES. [COLOR=inherit !important]
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I don't see why do we need to connect what the devs do and like in real life with the quality of their work results.
In the end the game will be good or bad no matter what CDPR does outside work.
For now, regarding CP2077 we only have some fancy words and that they will develop some nice tech.
I hope CDPR will impress me, in a good way, with their game innovations for tech, story and gameplay.
Sorry for the off-topic.
In the end the game will be good or bad no matter what CDPR does outside work.
For now, regarding CP2077 we only have some fancy words and that they will develop some nice tech.
I hope CDPR will impress me, in a good way, with their game innovations for tech, story and gameplay.
Sorry for the off-topic.
Sardukhar;n10402342 said:
I'm a little curious what you've found enjoyable about Ortega's acting. This isn't intended as a slight, I'd just love to know what about it has grabbed your attention.
Sardukhar;n10402342 said:
The Poe switch was well done and I love the characterization they gave the AI, but the reason is that Edgar Allan is public domain. Jimi isn't, and hence would need royalty payments that were better spent on writing... because Poe is hilarious.
Quell, the Envoy changes and such were made to hook non-book fans by giving a clear good/bad dichotomy and create underdog sympathy for the poor downtrodden philosophers that were crushed by the big bad super rich, which isn't necessarily unseen in Cyberpunk tropes... but does dumb down the Envoys quite a bit from being the borderline psychotic infiltration and bootheel stompers of the Protectorate. The changing of Reileen the way they did was also because the idea of a former Big Bad that Tak knew wouldn't come across as well on TV without more of his internal monologues about her and her past... and also paints a sympathetic relationship that viewers can hang onto.
I AM disappointed that we haven't seen more about the Painted Man and Tak's father and family issues...but I think that got written out.
It'll be interesting to see if they do books 2 and 3 as well, or if they just leave it here.
Still, I'm liking it. They got the sleeving stuff mostly right, and Kinneman is doing a great job of portraying Kovacs, IMHO
For all the "hype", this doesn't sound like something that would hold my attention for very long.
kofeiiniturpa;n10407202 said:
It's not all that special, really. It's a good sci-fi show in an age where there's very few good sci-fi shows, but that doesn't make it a great show in general. If you just want something good to watch, there's other, better options out there.
That said, I did enjoy it well enough in the end. I just had a few serious complaints with specific actors and the quality seemed to reach a downward slope around episode 6.
cara2100;n10408562 said:
Different strokes and all that. My dad felt the same way. Hated Blade Runner, kept asking when the action was going to happen.
I like slower-paced, story-heavy movies and shows with a lot of nuance and subtext. Altered Carbon offered some of that but despite having a lot more time to tell its story than Bladerunner (even as long as it was) it didn't quite hit the mark for me.
Snowflakez;n10408642 said:
That actually mirrors the problem with videogames too just as well as it demonstrates BR’s problem (what people expected from a 2017 big release). ”When does the action start?”
People expect easy popcorn entertainment, not thoughtfulness. There’s a certain scifi movie coming at some point soonish that actually got into some problems because it was thought to be ”too intelligent” for the big audiences. And people also scolded Mother! for not being immediately obvious.
That’s why we can’t have nice things anymore, TV or games. The lowest common denominator rules the land.
I’m not blaming your dad for the decline, by the way. It’s just not an uncommon stance to have.
Likewise.
I can have very good time sitting through the three hours of something like Dogville inspite if it’s heavyhanded artistic lisence of... well look it up and you’ll understand... and slowness because the storytelling (symbolic and literal) is just that good.
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I agree with sard, i found altered carbon to be pretty awesome. Story got slow at points but overall i rather enjoyed it. And the cyberpunk movie Mute is about a man who is mute. So his role is probably alot harder to screw up lol.
i thought the whole sleeve concept was too OP to have in a cyberpunk setting, ok if only the ultra rich could afford something like that but when you have the whole population doing it it seems off. and if you can implant yourself in different bodies why not just clone your own body in that case which seems far less futuristic than just putting them in random bodies for the heck of it. it falls apart on is own logic and tech. not a fan.
animalfather;n10419812 said:
I actually agree, here. I don't want the sleeve concept in 2077 in any way.
Not to mention the fact that it's not really you. Your consciousness, the one right here, right now, would be gone. Not transferred, gone. You are making a copy of your consciousness, you are not shifting it over like you would with a theoretical brain transplant. So, you would essentially be gone. The only people you are helping by doing something like that is others - your family who didn't want to "lose you," employees if you own a big company, etc. You aren't actually doing yourself any favors.
That's why I'm pretty dismissive when people bring that sort of thing up as a method for achieving immortality. It's fun to ponder, but that's about it. I'd much rather see science focused on slowing or reversing the physical, chemical, scientific aspects of aging (Not the philosophical idea that "we all die eventually").
animalfather;n10419812 said:
I disagree. I think it lends itself to a lot of philosophical pondering and I think Altered Carbon, at least the book (I can't afford to binge watch in my current situation and have only seen two episodes) explains pretty well why most people can't afford to clone themselves.
The book explains that most people, for example, don't live a full life from childhood to old age and then revert back to a young sleeve, but that they alternate like one would alternate pairs of shoes or clothes so as not to wear them out completely in one go. You would either have to belong to a rich family to begin with to be able to afford cloning from a very early age, or to have the clone aged to the desired age, maintained, etc. The other options are synthetic sleeves or available sleeves that may not fit you.
I also think that sleeving wouldn't fit an RPG much, or cyberpunk, but for other reasons. It's like Snowflakez said, maybe it's not you. It lends itself to a lot of pondering as I said, but, in a game, the player would be proving the point that it's the same person. But if you look at it as a "perversion" of the self-perpetuation instinct that leads organic lifeforms to reproduce, it's quite interesting for a story. Reproduction responds to our status as mortal beings. As humans gained intelligence and their lives became more comfortable, our goals became increasingly complex, people raise their children to carry a legacy... but they are not their parents, and they are not copies. What if people could copy themselves? What would be the point of reproduction? And even if these copies are exact, are they really the same person?
what i meant was that from a tech point of view transferring your consciousness is far more difficult than cloning your body. if you can transport yourself into different bodies than surely cloning your own body wouldn't be a big deal. but the show makes a big deal of it and makes people take whatever body is available. it does that obviously for narrative purposes eg 7yo in a 40yo womans body and people "upgrading" to better bodies. the issue that i have in such a world cloning would be a minor thing in comparison.
its like getting a new computer and the shop doesn't give you a free mousepad says they are too expensive..
its like getting a new computer and the shop doesn't give you a free mousepad says they are too expensive..