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EliHarel

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#121
Apr 26, 2015
wichat.571 said:
I need a translation
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He was making a joke with the opening of Avatar: The Last Airbender, just changing the names and context.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJUgCzEdx9k
 
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wichat

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#122
Apr 26, 2015
EliHarel said:
He was making a joke with the opening of Avatar: The Last Airbender, just changing the names and context.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJUgCzEdx9k
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Thanks a lot. Gentleness is not dead.. I didn't knew this cartoon.

@Tishen-13 Sorry for not being so well informed about cartoon titles. I have to improve my telepathic ability
 
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Phinnway

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#123
Apr 26, 2015
It happened, guys! Skyrim's user rating on Steam dropped 10% in 4 days (from 98% to 88%.) It's not really saying a whole lot 'cause it's just a user rating. But it is one way for consumers to voice their displeasure. It's also worth pointing out that Skyrim was one of the highest rated games on Steam, if not the highest.
 
wichat

wichat

Mentor
#124
Apr 26, 2015
Costumers are not awared about the power they have.
 
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dragonbird

Ex-moderator
#125
Apr 26, 2015
So is DA:I still unmoddable? I bet EA is cursing right now at the lost potential.
 
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Arius87

Senior user
#126
Apr 26, 2015
First when I heard about this I was against it. But the more I think about it the more I get used to it.
But there are a few things that are unaccetable at the moment. Things like Valve and the publisher getting 75% of the pay but not offering any support which is nothing else than greedy and unfair. Also the legal situation about support at all is very unclear. It's the same as kickstarter or early access games. The risk lies within the contributor.

And I can easily imagine some devs of mods just take the money for their unfinished and buggy product and then run away over the hills and far away never to be seen again. Like it happened already.

But you also have to take into consideration the amount of work which flows in some of these mods like Nehrim for Oblivion. A whole new world and adventure that offered over 100 hours of content and had also voice-overs (of course semi-profesional). And all this for free!
I know not all mods will offer this load of content but maybe some will. I could imagine that in long terms mods who are professionally developed by a small and enthusiastic team will be better than some DLCs form the origin developers and that they are forced to release more quality content on their own.
Maybe a bit optimistic though but one can hope. :)
 
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Phinnway

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#127
Apr 26, 2015
Arius87 said:
I know not all mods will offer this load of content but maybe some will. I could imagine that in long terms mods who are professionally developed by a small and enthusiastic team will be better than some DLCs form the origin developers and that they are forced to release more quality content on their own.
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It's also worth pointing out that one of the ways in which games iterate is through mods. Paradox Interactive, for example, sometimes incorporates features from player-created mods when they make sequels.
 
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Luxorek

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#128
Apr 26, 2015
Valve&Bethesda theme song at the moment.
 
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Garrison72

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#129
Apr 26, 2015
Luxorek said:
Valve&Bethesda theme song at the moment.
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Except they're in the pig shit right now. Valve? People could see it coming from them...but Bethesda. It's like 13 years of trust flushed down the toilet.
 
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web-head91

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#130
Apr 26, 2015
lol, looks like other developpers may be looking into having paid mod themselves. everytime people comment on the paid mod contravery or start a thread there, gets banned and the thread shut down.
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/BoycottSteamWorkshop/discussions/0/618460171321646243/

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... and then people started talking about GOG as an alternative to steam (it's all going according to the plan :hai:)

=> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/BoycottSteamWorkshop#announcements/detail/204128765615303824
 
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wichat

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#131
Apr 26, 2015
That can be funny..


GOG Galaxy THE REAL STEAM ALTERNATIVE!
 
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web-head91

Senior user
#132
Apr 26, 2015
wichat.571 said:
That can be funny..


GOG Galaxy THE REAL STEAM ALTERNATIVE!
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that's what i just posted, and yes, the hilarity will ensue XD
 
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TmTapani

Rookie
#133
Apr 26, 2015
The cherry on top of all this crap? Bethesda open world games are actually quite bad. In my opinion of course. They have a multitude of bugs that Bethesda will never fix, the games are not challenging in any way, and have some seriously questionable design choices in them. This has lead to the fact that I needed around 300 different mods for Oblivion, around 250 for both Fallout 3 and New Vegas, and am currently using circa 100 mods for Skyrim. If all of them had cost me a dollar each I would've needed 900 dollars minimum, on top of the cost for the games and DLC themselves, just to make the experience enjoyable for myself. If the quality of Bethesdas work keeps the same and all mods of any quality are to be locked behind a paywall I just can't afford to play the games anymore. Current ones, maybe, but any future ones? Skyrim is a huge seller even today because of free mods that make it playable for many. The company is in for a huge dip in profits when the next game comes out.
 
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Luxorek

Forum veteran
#134
Apr 26, 2015
TmTapani said:
The company is in for a huge dip in profits when the next game comes out.
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Doubt that. Just watch Fallout 4 being announced at E3 and the whole gaming world press meltdown that's gonna happen. When the game finally comes out it's gonna sell like hotcakes... on consoles and on PC.

Remember, this whole mess is strictly tied to Steam, ergo PC gaming. There is a whole other world of console gamers who don't give a crap about this whole paid mods shebang [hint: they have no access to them].
 
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TmTapani

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#135
Apr 26, 2015
Luxorek said:
Doubt that. Just watch Fallout 4 being announced at E3 and the whole gaming world press meltdown that's gonna happen. When the game finally comes out it's gonna sell like hotcakes... on consoles and on PC.

Remember, this whole mess is strictly tied to Steam, ergo PC gaming. There is a whole other world of console gamers who don't give a crap about this whole paid mods shebang [hint: they have no access to them].
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Short term profits yes, but do you really think the next game will have the longevity of previous ones? Hell, most days Skyrim still sells more on steam than new AAA games. And it has done that for years. Day after day after day. Not on consoles though for obvious reasons. Console is pennies in this regard, always has been.

edit: Just wanted to clarify that I'm not in any way saying or commenting anything negative about consoles or console gaming, just discussing the short term vs long term profits.
 
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Gilrond-i-Virdan

Forum veteran
#136
Apr 26, 2015
web-head91 said:
... and then people started talking about GOG as an alternative to steam (it's all going according to the plan :hai:)

=> http://steamcommunity.com/groups/BoycottSteamWorkshop#announcements/detail/204128765615303824
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Good :)
 
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JasonShepard

Senior user
#137
Apr 26, 2015
Paid mods aren't really an issue, but the way that Valve has decided to implement them is just piss poor and disgusting. I can't agree with a service that only gives 25% of profits to the actual creator of the mod. There are also bound to be some issues with copyright, charging money for work that's not yours, etc.
A donate button is really all that was needed.
 
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Gilrond-i-Virdan

Forum veteran
#138
Apr 26, 2015
I don't really see a problem with people selling mods if they want to. Authors can decide what to do with them, sell or give out for free, it should be their choice. But they can easily do it without Steam.
 
Garrison72

Garrison72

Mentor
#139
Apr 26, 2015
Luxorek said:
Doubt that. Just watch Fallout 4 being announced at E3 and the whole gaming world press meltdown that's gonna happen. When the game finally comes out it's gonna sell like hotcakes... on consoles and on PC.

Remember, this whole mess is strictly tied to Steam, ergo PC gaming. There is a whole other world of console gamers who don't give a crap about this whole paid mods shebang [hint: they have no access to them].
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Sadly this is true. A lot of console gamers are giddy at the fact we're finally being charged for mods. And Bethesda is still the world's largest RPG dev. Once Fallout 4 is announced all bets are off.
 
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Ljesnjanin

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#140
Apr 26, 2015
Garrison72 said:
Once Fallout 4 is announced all bets are off.
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Yeah...And now, Beth don't even need to finish pc version of FO4...Modding community will do it instead.
 
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