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Yes, but the point was to make an MMO, which you then try to shoot down. Your comment above doesn't shoot down anything.
So, your point is:
MMO for the sake of MMO.
I stand by my previous statement.
Factions can be created by the players. Eg. "guilds" or corporations. Here you have incentive for role "corp-man", too, which could be kind of a leader character, who trains leading skills.
Right, hold on, I'm confused.
So the players create the factions, and the players start the game in these player created factions...
So who created the first factions that the first players join at character creation?
I can kind of see this idea working in an MMO, (with a lot more fleshing out,) especially a Cyberpunk MMO, but not for 2077. It would suit a game closer to PS2.
Who cares? You are trying to pin the players down into a setting by "because GM tells you so". Have you any experience in PnP games as such? One major concern is not to rail the players into certain predefined paths, but let the players decide what they want to do. If everything is too fluid for organizing things, why there are any corps that use the players as tools, then? How there are governments, gangs, and powerful individuals?
Cyberpunk 2020, Cybergen, Cyberpunk 203X, SLA, WFRP, WFRP2, D&D 3, D&D 3.5, D&D 4, Vampire (masquerade & darkages,) Werewolf (wild west & darkages,) Exalted, Battletech, Obsidian: The Age of Judgement...
Those are
some of the PnP games I have played and I have run games for most of them too. So yeah, I think I do have some experience.
And you should care, we all should care, because 2077 is based on a PnP game. Sure the players should have a lot of freedom and they should not be railroaded, but with no story and no plot it would be a shit game. The GM creates the story and guides the players on a 'general' path through it. He often has to create new chapters and even remove them too, (like when the team kidnaps an execution target instead of killing them...)
And in answer to my question, do you have any experience with PnP games? Specifically Cyberpunk 2020?
I don't care one bit what some one says. Cyberpunk is not about the creator of Cyberpunk. Cyberpunk sure starts with such stories where you try to survive. But then what? What are the corporations, governments, gangs, and powerful individuals doing in Cyberpunk, if it is about survival?
I can understand that the stories start with survival as main theme. And even if "Cyberpunk" TM is only about survival, Cyber isn't. I really don't want to stick to the survival theme only. A game of bums in Cyberland doesn't fly very far, when you compare to the total endless potential that the period of cyber offers.
And todays word of the day is:
Pompous
- Adjective
- Affectedly and irritatingly grand, solemn, or self-important: "a pompous ass".
- Characterized by pomp or splendor: "there were many processions and other pompous shows".
Tell you what. As you don't give a shit what anyone else thinks, the game developers and the world creator included, why don't you go create your own game. Go hire a dev team, get them to make it just the way you want.
Alternatively, read up on what this game is actually about rather than ignorantly dismissing it out of hand. Cyberpunk 2020, (the basis for the 2077 game,) is not directly about Mike, (it's creator,) but guess what; it's his game so he decides what it's about! Hence why I said you should just go make your own. Then you can decide what it is and isn't about.
There is still the no mans land. Or should I say, nomads land. You choose. THAT is a story!
I get the impression you didn't do very well at school with regards to Literature.
Because there are no many levels, it would be easy to start all over. People would really like that there was once a real iron man game. That would be something different, not just an another Wow-clone.
Because creating another disposable character every half hour, (or less,) is so much fun...
You realise you are suggesting the most pointless and shallow game ever? Seriously, Pong has more depth that this game would end up with.
Why would people play a game where they can lose everything they have invested their time and effort into at any moment for no real gain?
How many people would rage quit from being ganked 20 times and having to roll a new character every time in one session? How many people would actually get to see any of the actual game world?
Actually, there are games that kind of fit this description, one of them is CoD.
Yeah, let's give players even more power. They won't abuse it. That works so well in other games...
FFS man, I thought you said you had played EVE! You ever heard of the word "Corruption"?
I am suggesting to make the best MMO there ever has been. But it needs fluid graphics to work.
That, I understand, accept and, (to an extent,) support.
What I don't understand, or accept, is that you want to kill our ultimate SP game there has ever been to do it and you don't care what anyone, (dev's and subject creator included,) else thinks.
Well, that's an informative and well considered respose.
So, to sum up: You don't seem to care what the devs want to do. You don't seem to care what the CP2020 fanbase wants. You -blasphemously! - don't care what the CP2020 creator says.
As far as I understand things, Designer, your whole purpose here is to push forward an agenda that interests mostly...you. And some friends who also seem less than interested in CP2077.
Pointlessly, by the way, since the people making the game of the forum you are in, are not, not, not making an MMO.
I don't mind and even enjoy discussing MMOs and their history and development..in an off topic thread. Rather than hammering away at the fact that CP2077 is not an MMO. Or a racing sim. Or tetris.
Well put.
One Multiplayer Co Op thought I had was, should the loot you get be transportable across other servers? Should it be specific to your character on that server? Can you make money on the stock market in your own server, then take that money across and destabilize Wisd..er..Redge's server?
Would that mean that multiple people could be able to destabilise... er... Redge's economy?
...yeah, Redge...
