CD PROJEKT RED and regarding Nudity and Sex and Sexuallity and the overzealously Censoring.-FeedBack

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I first played The Witcher 3 back when it first came out and back then the sex-scenes were full monty nudity. By 2020 you had Geralt in Boxers after making love and Reginald's meat and two veg has a fig leaf on it ! I mean what's up with that? In my own honest oppiinion, modesty and maturity is the best approach. I absolutely miss the steaminess and eroic heart-pounding and everything else that goes with this controverse subject about procreation and brothels and prostitution and pleasure palaces. Why is GTA V ok with the strip clubs and poledancing and nudity but Cyberpunk isn't ? Iam treading carefully on this subject as to not poke the bear, but hey a male is a male and i absolutely sometimes get really horney to the point of well you know and am not even going to say it but you get the picture and the gist of this very private activity behind closed doors where you do what you dont confess. It is also very important to teach (your) children important views of modesty and positive views abou sex and the body and not shaming sexy by saying it is dirty or disgusting, because i didn't have a great childhood upbringing and self-esteem and confidence and had to teach myself these things.​

This also comes with Autism too, and absolutely love playing these types of games because of this. In the next game(s) CD PROJEKT RED does decide to release, they should have a modest , more laid-back approach on human sexuality and procreation and also babies. I mean it also would be nice to see the main character actually get married and have multiple kids and children and everything else kind of like the old Fable where your choices mattered even choosing to use or forego protection (condoms). Human being are social creatures who crave love and another reason why I absolutely love playing these kinds of games too. And I guess itt is also how males are in a non-stereo-typical way and views and am absolutely not referring to whores either, but sometimes you get this grittiness with the Cyberpunk Genré and Alternate Reality and Science-Fiction and definitely reminds me of something like an old Twilight Zone episode where Procreation is banned and so is having children and there is only a handful of the population left to sustain a viable population and have to discretely break the rules without getting caught and also cannot leave because they will be shot and killed on sight and when immediately detected. You get what I am saying.​

It's a shame Cyberpunk was too controversial for it's time and was the final nail in the coffin and the straw that broke the camel's back too. CD PROJEKT RED should definitely tread more carefully in the future and consider the possibe outcomes of either upsetting the general population or offending the general population. This has always been the case with the Western Main-Stream Hollywood Media and Stereo-typicical views vs the Far Eastern Societies and Cultures especially Islamic and Muslim and Jewish Sociology and societies too.​

Back in high school, I took an advanced Collegiate World History and American History and learned a lot more about Sociology and even had some Arabic,Muslim,and Islamic Foreign Exchange Students as classmates as well as a Jehovah's Witness too. So, yes I absolutely leareed a lot and also had to watch what i said and did without offending them, and once offended them and later apologized for my actions and learned from my my mistakes in a professional matter while still maintaining thier friendship too. Sometimes you got to think BEFORE YOU ACT OR SPEAK and have learned this the hard way with my Autism. So always remember this before you make an absolute fool out of yourself.​

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I am not even going to argue but there is nothing political about this post. Sheesh.
 
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First of all, please stop posting in a massive font size, I completely ignored everything you read because of that as it is really irritating.

Personally I find it a bit ridiculous that this company decided to work with an IP that directly criticizes censorship, corporate power, authoritarianism and capitalism also arbitrarily censors itself for no reason, whilst simultaneously bragging about having a genital option and making crass fetishized posters of trans people.

The issue is that there is a disconnect between the creative team who obviously understand the intent and the point of Cyberpunk and the corporate side, which is interested in making money whilst trying not to offend any group by claiming some sense of impartiality.
 
Mature themes in games have nothing to do with whatever activities you want to do behind closed doors mate. It's strange to even put that out there. I have my own criticisms about how CDPR handles this but arguments like yours really explain why sometimes I agree with their approach.

Teaching kids sex positivity has nothing to do with video games and video games should never be the place where kids go to learn that. Games are storytelling in the same way movies are. In stories adding these mature themes serve as a plot point to move that story forward. It is not there for sex education or for ppl to live out whatever fantasies they have for their own pleasure.

I am a male and I absolutely do not share these views you seem to believe all males do. It's important to recognize boundaries and things you should or shouldn't say. Your very post demonstrates why it's important for developers to balance what they allow in these games.
 
Okay I actually read the original post and it is completely nuts. Brother, it's a creative medium. It doesn't have to and should not conform to your idea of what is or is not acceptable or a correct way of viewing sex, sexuality, gender or gender identity.

There are valid criticisms of this game's handling of all of these and of CDPR as a company's handling of such topics as it is relevant to the real world. Talking about 'hot' political topics is not allowed on this forum though, so I will leave it at that, but in relation to the game, it has a right to portray whatever it wants to and if you don't like it then you're certainly free to criticize it, but to me the idea of complaining about an IP that portrays a degraded world where society is hypersexualized and life itself is cheapened to a point where it is worth less than the bullets that end them because your character can't get married and have kids is bizarre and to say it's missing the point is an understatement.

You mentioned The Twilight Zone which is apt because after reading that Cyberpunk should be more modest and allow you to have a wife and kids makes me feel like I slipped into the twilight zone.
 
First off, games tend to use a far shorter period of time than would be required for a full term pregnancy... The timeframe for games is usually like a month or 2 at most unless you specifically wait many days of your own accord. So bothering to put in pregnancy is already kind of ridiculous.

Secondly, this isn't the Sims. It's not a game about creating a family and doing family stuff. It's a game about being a stone cold mercenary. That there are relationships at all is one thing, starting a family is a whole different topic.

Thirdly, video games aren't where anyone should be learning about sex. It should be taught by school/parents (Though, often it's not properly covered because society doesn't like sex and especially doesn't like sex being shown to the people who need to learn it most, i.e. minors). Further to that, games shouldn't have to conform to real world ideals and views. Since they are set in a different time/society they should have the freedom to reflect that society (Of course, this is always a sore point because it can cause controversy that restricts sales of a game because censors are crazy)

CP2077 is fine when it comes to sexualization. The only strange thing is that V can be shown nude in CC, in menus and various characters will be shown fully naked in sex scenes... But then when looking down in game/cutscenes V will be wearing underwear. Which makes no sense from a censoring point of view.

Honestly, the sexual nature of a lot of the advertisments in the game actually makes sense. Since despite our societies distaste for sex, it is still a big selling point. So a futuristic period where society has developed further would probably have such advertisments. Even more so when body shaming would be non-existent due to the extensive body modifications allowed via cyberwear/ripperdocs.
 
I would point out that Cyberpunk presents a world in which everyone has been objectified and sex and violence are used to sell everything from body modifications to food.

Arguably the most intimate encounter you have in the whole game is with a doll (notionally, a prostitute), with whom your character has no sexual contact whatever.

The game, very obviously, is making a point there.

As far as Witcher 3 is concerned, though it was an improvement on its predecessors (certainly Witcher 1, in which you collect girls you've bedded as playing cards), I found its handling of sex at times actually rather crass and tacky, like it was designed to appeal to sex-starved adolescent boys. Some of the sex scenes were so toe-curlingly naff that they took me right out of the game's tone and story, like they'd been lifted from an 80s soft core porno (the big scene in the Blood & Wine fairytale branch, in particular, springs to mind). I think Cyberpunk on the whole handled things rather better.
 
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I would point out that Cyberpunk presents a world in which everyone has been objectified and sex and violence are used to sell everything from body modifications to food.

Arguably the most intimate encounter you have in the whole game is with a doll (notionally, a prostitute), with whom your character has no sexual contact whatever.

The game, very obviously, is making a point there.

As far as Witcher 3 is concerned, though it was an improvement on its predecessors (certainly Witcher 1, in which you collect girls you've bedded as playing cards), I found its handling of sex at times actually rather crass and tacky, like it was designed to appeal to sex-starved adolescent boys. Some of the sex scenes were so toe-curlingly naff that they took me right out of the game's tone and story, like they'd been lifted from an 80s soft core porno (the big scene in the Blood & Wine fairytale branch, in particular, springs to mind). I think Cyberpunk on the whole handled things rather better.
I don't think there was anything inherently wrong with how Witcher 3 handled those. Witcher 3 is heavily inspired by a particular place and time in history and for that time period, brothels were prevalent for many different reasons. That would be like playing a pirate game and expecting to not steal things. The fact is, much of human history is not pleasant. People had a lot of sex, cheated a lot and died a lot. Whether we like it or not sex work provided income for a lot of people, as it does today but that's an entirely different discussion. Cyberpunk 2077 takes place in the future, naturally things would be different. Sex workers still exist but they in many ways have more control than prostitutes would in the 1700's, there are still those who are vulnerable of course but the power dynamic will have changed. That said, they are making a game for adults and we all know most people do not go to sex workers to talk so I personally don't think they handled the doll thing well. Some ppl do go for conversation for sure but it is optional and so it should be optional in the game as well. It's not at all realistic if we're being honest and certainly not to the genre they're portraying.

In either case OP here doesn't seem to be making an argument about how these themes are handled, he just wants something, anything to live out whatever fantasy he has in his head. I can only recommend he finds someone to talk to about those unhealthy obsessions.
 
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This topic has come up before, in other threads and I'm not going to re-hash a whole huge thing.

BUT....

Part of it has to do with platform specific rules, sometimes the censorship is mandated by let's say Sony for example. They'll tell the devs we won't allow this on PlayStation if you don't tone down "Blank" or remove "X" or whatever it is they find objectionable. We've actually seen this recently with Xbox and PC getting a slightly different versions of games, because Sony had something removed from their Version. Martha is Dead being a notable example. That had to do with violence/horror elements. But the point is the same, sometimes to get certified they need to make adjustments based on the platform owner's feedback.

Also Considering CP and the Witcher are both licensed IPs there may be considerations there. Not to mention the hype and popularity of both franchises and huge interest there is public reaction to consider.

There are several other considerations and a lot more that goes into these decisions and like I said, it's all been mentioned before.

I'd like to add that more on the morality of the topic, I don't think M rated games, about a sci-fi future corporate dystopia are a great place to "learn" or "Teach" or any other variation of that. At least not for minors who need to learn about "Sex Positivity" or their bodies or anything like that. Seems like that should be up to parents to decide..... And honestly if games and media are to play a role, a hyper-sexualized corporate run, incredibly violent setting would still be somewhat inappropriate for that message, it's sort of the opposite actually, an almost satire of the extremes of humanity... so while yes, graphic material could be expected.... I'm not sure the point being made in the OP in regard to this. I'm just sort of confused about that part, M rated games are not a tool for teaching and while art can definitely make people think about things, or "Learn" in a very broad sense.... I just, I don't know what exactly what you're getting at there, not taking shots, just sort of missing the point.

Anyway, personally, I'm always in favor of less censorship, as long as something is clearly rated for adults, I say let it be what it is and if people don't like it, they can just choose to not play/watch everyone has their own line and sensibilities and that's fine. Probably not the best approach for the money counters but probably a better way of making "Art".
 
The game is very inconsistent. The game takes place in a dystopian future where sex is commoditized, but the strippers are all clothed. Your character will be fully undressed in scenes with a joytoy, but not in the sex scene with your romantic partner. You should be just as naked with your loved one as with the joytoy.

Baldur's Gate 3 is more consistent (and bold) than this game.
 
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This is all because CDPR is now wanting good ESG ratings.
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Bingo.

This is happening because they took the company public, it's that simple. Their shareholders don't care about anything but maximizing profit. Rockstar/Take-Two is still a privately owned company so they can do what they want, CDPR could do that when they made Witcher 3 because they still had full control at the time. Now they no longer have control and we saw what that looks like with the launch of CP2077 so I no longer trust them to make good creative decisions.

With CP2077 They wanted to make a game with mature themes but they also want to sell as many copies as possible (because shareholders) and they can't do that if it gets banned in certain countries, hence the censorship. So anyone expecting things to change in the next game should probably put that out of their mind.

In fact the next Witcher game will 100% be heavily censored compared to Witcher 3.
 
Bingo.

This is happening because they took the company public, it's that simple. Their shareholders don't care about anything but maximizing profit. Rockstar/Take-Two is still a privately owned company so they can do what they want, CDPR could do that when they made Witcher 3 because they still had full control at the time. Now they no longer have control and we saw what that looks like with the launch of CP2077 so I no longer trust them to make good creative decisions.

With CP2077 They wanted to make a game with mature themes but they also want to sell as many copies as possible (because shareholders) and they can't do that if it gets banned in certain countries, hence the censorship. So anyone expecting things to change in the next game should probably put that out of their mind.

In fact the next Witcher game will 100% be heavily censored compared to Witcher 3.
Man,

I am sensing we aren't getting those cards back in Witcher 1 remake right?
 
Um...this is a videogame for ADULTS. If you want to teach a child about sex positivity and all that jazz, DO IT YOURSELF.

Also, having a 'start a family' mechanic would be weird, considering not all players have a straight V who wants to do such a thing. I play as a gay male V. He's not thinking of starting a family whatsoever at this point in his life. He's trying to survive, while also falling in love with a geriatric rockstar who already has children.
 
Um...this is a videogame for ADULTS. If you want to teach a child about sex positivity and all that jazz, DO IT YOURSELF.

Also, having a 'start a family' mechanic would be weird, considering not all players have a straight V who wants to do such a thing. I play as a gay male V. He's not thinking of starting a family whatsoever at this point in his life. He's trying to survive, while also falling in love with a geriatric rockstar who already has children.
Speak for yourself. I didn't fall in love with Kerry. I accept him as the rent I pay for the accommodations.
 
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