*blink*
Okay, political rant about gun rights aside, gun rights in CP2020 are pretty liberal - cops don't care and most everyone in Night City carries. I'd have to look up what the UCJC says in the book, but it's irrelevant - cops are only likely to prosecute if you -aren't - carrying when you should be.
Actually, Sard if you'd read it instead of blinking you'd see we WERE talking about the UCJC. I gave references and Chris quoted the whole damned section. ;-)
Seriously, did you actually read it or just skim it and assume it was something else?
There was no gun rights debate whatsoever.
And no, there is absolutely no law saying you MUST carry a gun and cops will not prosecute you for not carrying. That's nonsense. however common gun ownership in CP is, it's not mandatory.
We weren't even debating gun rights, we were discussing the gun laws as laid out in cyberpunk.
No lawyer is likely to take on a case in 2020 of a suspect who was carrying a firearm concealed without the proper permits. Lawyers are pretty touch and go in 2020, post Lawyer Riot. UCJC is..efficient.
Here are the laws as they apply to guns in cyberpunk.
Gun permit (with background check) is required to own handguns, longarms and knives over 18"
Concealed carry permit is required to carry concealed. That requires another fee and check per gun.
Your gun is registered and its ballistic pattern is on file with the government.
Automatic weapons are illegal.
This is what we're actually talking about in this thread.
Chris mistakenly said that was *more* loose than current laws.
I was educating him as to the state of current gun laws and how the laws in cyberpunk are *more* strict rather than less so.
Gun rights has nothing to do with it. We're discussing the facts of the laws as they exist in the game and reality, not as they should or should not exist. At no point were we debating what SHOULD be the state of things.
I never said the laws in cyberpunk shouldn't exist or should be different, at no point did I ever disagree with them.
I merely proved Chris wrong in his statement that they are somehow less restrictive than the laws today.
NRA is a non-entity in Cyberpunk 2020 as I recall. Corps run things now, not politicians. Your Constitutional Rights are regularly violated by Arasaka. Oops!
Your 2020 may vary, but hey, go nuts with that. It's your dark (?) future. You wanna pretend Civil Liberties and Gun Rights and Due Process exist in a corporate-run world, have fun with that.
LMFAO oh my god...do you even know what a lobbying group is?
The NRA may once have been a civil rights group looking out for citizens when it was begun, but as it exists today the NRA is a corporate lobbying group that isn't fighting for civil liberties of citizens, they're fighting against anything that hurts their clients...which are the gun manufacturers.
Giving more rights to citizens is a complete side effect of ensuring that their corporate masters can sell more guns.
If anything, the corporate environment of cyberpunk would make corporate-lobby groups MORE powerful.
If Militech says "That gun law will hurt our sales and shouldn't pass." the government won't pass it. Why? Because Militech can then withhold its security services, jack its prices or do anything else it wants to cripple the US government thanks to their disproportionate level of power and influence.
Honestly, can you imagine any situation where gun companies in cyberpunk WOULDN'T be writing the gun laws?
Corporations literally write the laws in Cyberpunk.
The major Arms companies (Militech and Arasaka) are the most powerful companies in the world.
Please, tell me how in the world they do not write the laws for how weapons are regulated.
You even imply that it's somehow NOT dark for gun companies to be in charge of gun legislation? That's crazy man. Gun companies don;t care about civil rights, but they do care about sales. If the law says you can own rocket launchers, suddenly they;re selling more rocket launchers. That's all they care about.
Honestly, if the corporations really ran everything the way people say they should, then every weapon would be legal and carrying a gun WOULD be mandatory.
Clearly the cyberpunk that exists in the books is a much more light and optimistic setting than people think.
But that's sort of besides the point.
Honestly, I don't even know why you're on the subject of gun rights since it was never a part of the discussion we were having, but if you want to bring up the NRA, in the corporate owned future, the NRA would be insanely powerful.
Maybe this should be split off into a second thread?