My two weeks leave on the 17th was approved ... by my boss who happens to be my best mate ... who’s also taking a couple of days off to play hahaha so excited
Philando Castile was shot and killed by a policeman during a routine traffic stop while trying to surrender a firearm he legally owned. He did everything a responsible citizen should do and he still died.
So much for the universal guarantee of 4th Amendment rights to all US citizens.
I am starting to agree with Dave Chappelle. If African Americans want to see universal gun control laws become a reality, we need to begin purchasing legal firearms and securing concealed carry permits. I imagine that bill will get a signature from the current president in no time flat.
I will never forget Trayvon Martin. He would be the same age as my daughter is now if he were still alive. When she was younger, she used to have nightmares that I would be killed by the police while going out to the store. No child should have to live with that kind of fear.
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I am stoked. My friend is also taking a geek weekend. I cannot wait until they finally hammer out multiplayer so that we can stick it to Arasaka.
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Yeah sorry, I should've mentioned that I think that would've been a better action within CDPR's already incorrect behavior imo.
Basically, if you're going to discriminate, and not give a shit about any deaths or injustices ever, and only come out and do something when a particular event has generated tons of attention (and I would say not just cause of the terrible death), then you're doing it because of other's reactions. What made the difference was the protests, not the event itself, and I don't like that, especially when there's never a direct pure connection between an event and such a huge response.
Personally, I think they should either operate like this regularly and especially for non popular injustices (since its impossible to do something for every single awful thing that occurs every day), or just stay out of it completely.
Of the 4 options: be a regular; don't discriminate by not getting into it; get into it for events where your actions will have great consequences; or what they actually did, I think they chose the worst one.
There are a LOT of injustices in the world. Some are more egregious than others. Which those are varies from person to person. I nearly vomit thinking about the people who died, en masse, in Syria recently.
HOWEVER.
This doesn't mean that taking a stand against a singular injustice is a bad thing. EVEN IF you do it for company goals.
And let's be razor-sharp clear here - CDPR did not do this for company goals. They have the most anticipated game (ever?) of the year coming soon, their bottom line is iron-clad victory and they are respected by nearly all.
This choice actually causes some serious anger towards them from people who didn't care either way. We all live in our own bubbles, after all.
CDPR did this because they mean what they say. Black lives matter. Yes, yes all lives matter, that's not the point. The POINT is that in many countries, minority lives do not matter -as much-. This is the case in the USA.
Perhaps the next human rights indignity CDPR will also take a stand for - perhaps they will choose to step back.
That's the beauty of choice - they have it, as you do.
In this case, they chose to stand up and say something. Good for them. Good for everyone else who did as well, regardless of what their reasons are or what you think their reasons are.
Black Lives Matter.
And Hong Kong Lives Matter. And First Nations Lives Matter. Rohingan Lives. Syrian Lives. Chechen Lives. All those who are hunted for nothing they did, but who they are.
It sucks to mean less than your neighbour because of your skin or religion or accent. And sometimes, it gets you killed.
Change only comes if we pay for it. This is a small price.
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I don't think video game developers should be delaying their internal schedules solely because of current events. What's next? When China cracks down even harder on Hong Kong and more innocent protesters are killed or disappeared, then video game developers should again delay their games? Lots of unfortunate things have happened so far in 2020, but I believe that all video game companies should refrain from politics for the same reason that most forums ban political discussion. It's simply not relevant to the platform, and there are many other places to get your fix of politics.
If anything, we could try to at least see this as a sign of respect towards Mike Pondsmith as well. Yes, this matter doesn’t directly affect Poland or most other countries but Night City and its creators are American, so the devs can’t just ignore what’s happening to American society right now.
I agree with the majority of what you said but I just want to make sure there wasn't a misunderstanding:
I don't think its bad cause they take a stand for one thing, and not for another, as you said standing for one is better than none on very basic terms. But I don't like it when it seems like the only reason they decided to pick this particular event, is because it got people riled up, that's all. I like when the purity of the event is addressed, not when the reactions to it trigger more reactions.
And yeah I don't think at all that they made this to take PR advantage or anything like that, I support these people since witcher 2 days and they always seemed honest and ethical, but I do think they could've done better, that's all.
I think you make a good point, but it's also true that a small evil often goes unnoticed and a big evil less so. The reaction often defines the event, in the end. A terrible thing happening to you or I is unlikely to change the world. A terrible thing happening to both of us, our families and friends, on TV? With fire?
If we are unsure as to what to do, there is no reason to think CDPR bosses woke up in the morning knowing what to do. You can bet they had similar conversations.
Will this become an ongoing policy? I don't know.
Cyberpunk 2020/RED/2077 is set in Northern California. It was written mostly by a black American man and his wife, family and friends. It takes racial and identity and minority issues and tries to make them approachable by all, using the metaphor of human vs unhuman in a world of oppressive corporate greed. In 2020-2077, nearly everyone in the US is poor or very very poor. Many people give up what makes them human and become machines to escape that oppression.
To the Corps and the AIs, we are all expendable, a resource to be used. So, perhaps Black Lives Matter and the current disruption in the US speaks very strongly to them. Perhaps Hong Kong did as well, but would have seemed..strange for a Polish gaming company making a US-set game of the Dark Future (after an East Europe set fantasy game) to speak about.
I don't know. I haven't gone on Twitter or Facebook to say Black Lives Matter myself, although I support them. Racism sucks and being a victim of it sucks and this shit is out of hand. That's what CDPR is saying, I think. That's it.
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Many other things are out of hand, things happening in other parts of the World that are ten times worse than this and nobody says a word, these are all just acting, I didn't expect this from CDPR, if you truly cared, you wouldn't have been silent about the other things happening around the world that are much worse than this. All these Black lives matter, if black lives matter then go save Africa, though it is good for Americans to try to make their country better, but all these non Americans that suddenly turned human and caring are so silly.
This is Racist, when it is Americans the whole world turns around and supports them, but other people around the world? Nobody cares, this action is Racist on it's own.
Imagine being in Africa, middle East, etc, and then see everyone on the internet going full human and Fight against Racism and oppression for America.
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I didn't miss your comment about sincerity - I just don't think it's even relevant to try and figure out how sincere a company (a collection of people with many different views) is.
My point is that this is a decision that is good from many different perspectives and it seems like we're in agreement there. I just don't share the sentiment that a move like this achieves much. If people want actual change, they shouldn't be looking at companies (gaming or otherwise) to make a difference.
I also believe CDPR recognise that their event would not have interfered in any real way with "important discussions [that] are happening right now ". So this move doesn't achieve much in that regard and it is why I have an issue with the message attempting to spin this in such a way. I understand it's what the PR team's job is, but that does not excuse it.
This is not an event that really benefits from the extra attention either, when it is already being covered by press worldwide. So in terms of material results, it is more of a PR win than anything else. At most, it brings slightly more attention to something that already has an overwhelming amount of it. That said, it still is better than doing nothing, so taking action - even if it's scewed towards reaping PR benefits - is still a positive, so it's hard to argue that CDPR shouldn't have done what they did, as some seem to be.
My main point is that it's also not something that deserves much fanfare either. Giving too much credit to activism that does not achieve much (if anything) is a problem. It's the sort of thing that appeases people too quickly before any real change can be made. But if they did not move their event, I'd argue that people shouldn't be upset either (but I'm sure many would be), because of how insignificant of a difference changing the date makes. A company is not going to eliminate racism. UEFA has had their "Say no to racism" campaign for a long time now, yet racism at football matches is still a thing, go figure.
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Doing nothing won't solve anything either. This isn't an issue that current generations will solve because they will cling to their implicit biases. It is the legacy of future generations to see the stupidity of the current generation and try to do better than we are doing.
It took years of protests and many deaths before the Civil Rights Amendment was passed in the US. I'd be naïve to expect a week of angry protests to bring immediate social change, but with enough social upheaval I am hopeful that positive things will happen. It is a battle worth fighting and it is comforting to see that some companies are willing to risk a little ill will to sound off against racism and injustice.
But as I said before, some of it does not seem sincere. Actiivision tweeted their support for George Floyd, but wasn't exactly the most supportive company when one of their customers voiced his opposition against the pro-democracy crackdowns in Hong Kong. As a matter of fact, he got banned along with several Twitch streamers who supported the pro-democracy movements. You cannot chose to oppose injustice only when it is convenient.
I'm going to stop replying directly in this thread because I don't want anyone to skirt dangerously close to violating the CoC going back and forth with me and I also feel that I am preaching to the choir a bit. I think that the people who post on this board are a decent sort and perhaps middle ground can be found with a bit of cultural exchange. I think we should all be looking forward to the 17th rather than savaging each other over differences in opinion.
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It wouldn’t, but a lot is being done by a lot of instances all over the place.
Reptile is right that this little PR stunt isn’t really doing anything. And if something, it is being somewhat divisive. As is apparent already on this short and friendly thread, and more so in dankholes like twitter.
Why not just show your support for the cause and carry on the event as well? The simple answer would be NCW might be overshadowed by current affairs in Murrica, particularly on social media. I'm sure many people in the company support BLM but this was a practical decision and imo, a miscalculation. Most people right now are stuck at home anyway. Viewership would have been high.
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This. I've been holding back posting since yesterday numerous time because I have no idea how to give the perfect response, so I believed the best response was no response to this. As mainly in terms of the delay to Night City Wire, what's done is done. And I look at this and am invested in this forum mainly for the product, this is a really weird thread all in all as well because of the politics involved. It's good with intentions but I agree with the posts that say our energy should be spent elsewhere to promote the core situation that's going outside right now (protests, petitions, donations, personal outreach, etc).
Ultimately Night City Wire is merely a sneak peak and a teaser to the game. September 17th is the real deal. I personally will be ignoring night city wire now to just be blown away by the game on September 17th, having less information about the game will excite me when it gets introduced to me the day I play the game and not anticipating every bit of tidbit news that's related to this game. (Something I'm not good at because I'm here but will start now I promise... And these delays + hype is killing me....
)I'm merely a user here and a lot of folks have more in depth opinions on the matter, so I apologize if I might sound not intelligent on the matter, I hope to see everyone in night city and mean the best for everyone here.
Personally, I think saying something during the time of unrest while people are tuned into the scheduled presentation would've had a greater impact rather than waiting until after things die down and move back towards normal, claiming the delay is a sign of respect. Is a social statement really as impactful after the fact? Just my two cents on the matter.
The trouble I have with forcing some of these events toward issues of racism and whatnot is I don't think it's the root issue in some of them. This is not to say there aren't issues there. Those issues most definitely exist.
Again... The larger issue I see is when a guy is pinned to the ground and basically compressed via other humans sitting on him while said humans are telling him to "get in the car", in broad friggen daylight in the middle of the street. For like 8+ minutes. The police vehicle was right there. This kind of stuff just makes me sit there and be like, what the fuck?
Even if the cops involved were fueled by some misguided notion person A is more important because they possess characteristic X it's not the end of the world. Assholes exist and there is not much to be done about it. The problem is when those views translate into suffocating a person in the street during an arrest. Or shooting them. Or beating them to death. Those views are one issue. The larger issue is when these people act upon them in this fashion and aren't held accountable.
I don't think mass protests, talking about it or implementing anti-bias training is going to magically fix any of this. Police officers should not be employing such strategies to subdue people during an arrest. If they do so they should face the same legal ramifications as any regular citizen doing something similar.
In fact, I'd take it a step further and say the people in charge of, employing and/or maintaining employment of officers performing these actions should be held accountable. After all, the captain is indirectly responsible for the sailors. If it happens on his watch....
Again... The larger issue I see is when a guy is pinned to the ground and basically compressed via other humans sitting on him while said humans are telling him to "get in the car", in broad friggen daylight in the middle of the street. For like 8+ minutes. The police vehicle was right there. This kind of stuff just makes me sit there and be like, what the fuck?
Even if the cops involved were fueled by some misguided notion person A is more important because they possess characteristic X it's not the end of the world. Assholes exist and there is not much to be done about it. The problem is when those views translate into suffocating a person in the street during an arrest. Or shooting them. Or beating them to death. Those views are one issue. The larger issue is when these people act upon them in this fashion and aren't held accountable.
I don't think mass protests, talking about it or implementing anti-bias training is going to magically fix any of this. Police officers should not be employing such strategies to subdue people during an arrest. If they do so they should face the same legal ramifications as any regular citizen doing something similar.
In fact, I'd take it a step further and say the people in charge of, employing and/or maintaining employment of officers performing these actions should be held accountable. After all, the captain is indirectly responsible for the sailors. If it happens on his watch....