I'd politely point out that all we can base our expectations on are three things.
1. What we've been told to expect from the developers through quotes in the media, the secret message at the end of the trailer, etc.
2. What we've been SHOWN to expect which is basically this trailer and the other one six years ago.
3. CDPR's reputation.
What we've been TOLD and what we've been SHOWN are basically polar opposites at this point. For right now, until we learn more, the only thing tying together what we've been told and what we've been shown is faith in CDPR's reputation.
You can't blame some folks for doubting. As others have pointed out, this is the first concrete information we've gotten on the game in six years and it's...different...than a lot of us were expecting.
For now, I'm in wait and see mode based on CDPR's reputation. But I'd really like to see more of the things that they are telling us will be there fairly soon.
Quite right. I'd argue that it's critical for CDPR to hear the negative impressions just as much as the positive ones as they're finishing up the game and deciding what to show and what to hold back leading up to release.
had you done that, you would have heard them telling you repeatedly that first trailer was not ment to showcase anything about the game. that you did anyway means you aren't even following your own rules, so why should i care about them?
Did you read my post at all?
I specifically said that all we have to go on that the other stuff is there is what CDPR is telling us that it is and asking us to trust them because we haven't been shown it.
Good point, really. But there's a difference between showing the trivialization of violence and being trivial (American Psycho is a good example of showing the trivialization without being trivial, excellent movie).
I was enjoying the trailer until that moment the guy ("V"?) takes the gun, but that's just me.
To tell you the truth, it's all ok. It's a cyberpunk themed game. Of course there will be gunplay. As I said, I have nothing against COD and the likes. I like to shoot things in games, guilty here too. I like brute/plain fun too.
But I hope CDPR keeps the intelligence bar up there, since this is becoming kind of rare in games lately. In RPG games, that is.
I'm feeling like an animal in extinction asking this but. Maybe I am, haha.
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I'm every bit as close to extinction.
Yeah, I guess that's what I want more then anything else, a game you have to think your way thru (and NOT a puzzle game) rather then platform, shoot, or QTE.
Yes, I was expecting an American setting of course. I actually like this.
But is it possible that the story could take you to other locations in Europe, Asia, Africa, and probably (just probably) somewhere in Latin America
?I know, I know... poor Latin America. I love it, but.. yeah.
Anyway, the moon is a place I always wanted to visit and I heard there will be a segment there.
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I was going to write an epistle but no. I won't do this here again, the mods don't deserve it. I'll try not to sound like a victim stating how I was abused as a child and I'm not going into sordid details. But not everyone responds to early abuse being violent. In my case, yes, I have my rage and I think I've been a very scary person two or three times during my life. There were physical fights one with my dear progenitor. But my main tendency through life has always been complete passivity. females tend to respond to abuse like this.
and sometimes hyper violent things give me nausea but that's just me.
What I meant was: being close to extinction is charming.
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Well, considering some of the other cyberpunk games out there, I wouldn't rule out zombies just yet...
Actually, I didn't say it's wrong to compare two different games based on their gameplay/genre. I argued it's wrong to equate them as being clones of each other, but I'm also not the one who established that argument; Fantesmeee is. The following posts establish the argument:
https://forums.cdprojektred.com/index.php?threads/hello-night-city.10969661/page-27#post-10981268
https://forums.cdprojektred.com/index.php?threads/hello-night-city.10969661/page-28#post-10981307
What I was doing was using their stance against saying two games are clones when they have more similarities than there are between the trailers of GTA 5 and Cyberpunk 2077 to show how it is that claiming the GTA 5 and Cyberpunk 2077 trailers are also clones.
However, it was Fantesmeee who kept insisting the two are the same; given the GTA 5 E3 trailer focused more on the countryside/open areas aspect of the game than on the city, the only way the comparison made any logical sense is if Fantesmeee was comparing the gameplay of GTA 5 (which is heavily city-focused, unlike the trailer) to the trailer of Cyberpunk 2077. Otherwise, there would be no comparison basis for that argument. And I was trying to hint that this is the wrong approach for the trailer, but not one that is unreasonable.
And, I'm still waiting for some proof I manipulated the conversation. I also note that, often, those who have to resort to sayings about lies tend to be more in need of the wisdom those sayings hold. I have been honest, even if foresight allowed for a certain unfair advantage. If you want to accuse me of being unfair in my dealings, that I must grant; I very much was, and intentionally. But it was to show a fault in equation of two disparate trailers as being the same.
In other words, I'm not against comparison, but against equation of dissimilar games. I can compare Skyrim and Witcher 3 all day to show the strengths of weaknesses of each, but at the same time I'll openly admit that despite any similarities they are very different games. Just as the GTA 5 and Cyberpunk 2077 trailers are very different, despite the similarities. I also was not opposing disliking the setting.
Does that make sense?
So after finding out about FPP, And rewatching the trailer a few times I'm starting to like it.
Though the violence still seems a bit goofy to me. Probably due to music.
Though the violence still seems a bit goofy to me. Probably due to music.
And being unfamiliar with the "esthetic" of the PNP is the problem: We who HAVE played the PNP that this game is based on have been "conditioned" to expect the "Dark, rainy, gritty and desperate" background. It's part of the "genre'", so to speak. One of the tips the PNP gives you is to play this game in a dimly lit room during foul weather as it perfectly fits the overall mood. And besides, it further suggests, if it is sunny outside, don't you think it would be much better to be out enjoying the sunshine?
The trailer feels like it is for a GTA kind of game. I don't see it like a fact nor a real thing when the game is released. The daytime is normal, it's not a closed world controlled like other games, the world is meant to be somehow realistic. There will be day and there will be night like in the Witcher 3. Sure, more night time scenes would be nicer in my opinion, not a fact though.
I think the trailer was meant to show different things you can expect in this game. Doesn't mean anything else but that. GTA is not an RPG, this game is, so GTA topic is a problem because it's unlikely to be a thing in the real game.
I think the trailer was meant to show different things you can expect in this game. Doesn't mean anything else but that. GTA is not an RPG, this game is, so GTA topic is a problem because it's unlikely to be a thing in the real game.
In short, I never said they are the same. I just said the trailer looked similar to GTA V vibe/atmosphere. END.
This, exactly.
As I've said before: the sun still shines in North Korea.
Don't know if you guys saw this:
I'm not a big fan of Gibson but I find it cool that he even knows GTA exists.
I'm not a big fan of Gibson but I find it cool that he even knows GTA exists.
He's a tech guy. He's very clued in on the gaming world.
There was a moment a few years back when he called Ubisoft out on naming The Division "Tom Clancy's The Division," when it a) came out after Clancy had passed, and b) had nothing to do with his novels.
I was actually kind of annoyed at the "GTA with a cyberpunk skin" comment, to be honest.