Rogue AI DLC teased for Patch 1.3?! [General patch speculations]

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pc gamers have had a game without serious bugs, poorly optimized and unfinished.
All I know is that I had what I consider game-breaking bugs no less than 3 times on PC; not getting quickhacks, savegame corruption, and not getting critical stats on weapons. Only one of these bugs have even been fixed far as I know. Enough for me to take a serious break from the game any way.
 
Why I don't see (hope) anything happening about AIs before 2022 (or before Next Gen patch at least) and obviously especially not with a patch 1.3 or a "little" free DLC.

1- the subject. It's one of the most interesting and openned subjects in the game. Garry, we don't know who, why, what... Peralez and Mr Blue Eyes, it's the same... And we don't know much about cyberspace, Alt and Black Wall. So that could be an awesome DLC, that's for sure, provided it is "big" and therefore not free.
2- No big paid DLCs before the Next Gen Patch, so basically not before 2022 and especially not for 1.3.
3- Releasing a "little" DLC on this subject would be an incredible waste for me. It would be like take one of the game's most interesting and open-ended subject and simply throw it in the trash by releasing a free DLC that "only" contains a few quests.

So for me, nothing about AIs & Co before a good while or otherwise it would be a big wast of potential :)
 
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Why I don't see (hope) anything happening about AIs before 2022 (or before Next Gen patch at least) and obviously especially not with a patch 1.3 or a "little" free DLC.

1- the subject. It's one of the most interesting and openned subjects in the game. Garry, we don't know who, why, what... Peralez and Mr Blue Eyes, it's the same... And we don't know much about cyberspace, Alt and Black Wall. So that could be an awesome DLC, that's for sure, provided it is "big" and therefore not free.
2- No big paid DLCs before the Next Gen Patch, so basically not before 2022 and especially not for 1.3.
3- Releasing a "little" DLC on this subject would be an incredible waste for me. It would be like take one of the game's most interesting and open-ended topics and simply throw it in the trash by releasing a free DLC that "only" contains a few quests.

So for me, nothing about AIs & Co before o good while or otherwise it would be a big wast of potential :)
I tend to agree.
The subject seem to unexplored as of now and the potential depth of it can be wild.

It would be contender for major expansion type. And I reckon that wouldnt be arriving before 2022.
 
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Since everybody writes their favorite DLC and conspiracy theory,here goes mine that debunks the whole Rogue AI (whic really, its something that has been exploited ad infinitum in literature and movies...i hope cdpr can come with something more original)
In many fields including my own (integrated circuit design) you can apply Occam's Razor and tends to work surprisingly well.
We know about one mbe and possible a whole organization( blue eyed men sounds a lot like men in black), we suspect about brainwash and mind control with at least couple of confirmed cases (the Peralez).
Who would benefit the most about brainwashing a wannabe major of NC(i mean,why not brainwash a bigger fish)? A Rogue AI or Rosalind Myers?
I know what Johnny said, but also what he said about the transmitter ? He saw in the war,and Militech is practically speaking a branch of NUSA government...and Peralez is pro-unification when elected...how handy if you also defeated Arasaka in Sun/Star.
And you don't need to go to evil AIs( society against AI prejudice sponsors this post) when humans and politics are evil enough on their own.
 
And you don't need to go to evil AIs( society against AI prejudice sponsors this post) when humans and politics are evil enough on their own.
Evil/wild AIs are more terrifying in the collective imagination, I think. A "simple" corpo behind a brain wash, could be too "real and possible". And also maybe the "Skynet" effect :)
About the transmitter, I not sure. Johnny talk about it and during the war, only because it's short range (easy to spot the receiving antenna) but most important, impossible to intercept (so pretty "secure" for those kind of operation).

And why not more big fish, maybe if you want to take the control discreetly, better not to start brainwashing the president :)
 
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Evil/wild AIs are more terrifying in the collective imagination, I think. A "simple" corpo behind a brain wash, could be too "real and possible". And also maybe the "Skynet" effect :)
About the transmitter, I not sure. Johnny talk about it and during the war, only because it's short range (easy to spot the receiving antenna) but most important, impossible to intercept (so pretty "secure" for those kind of operation).

And why not more big fish, maybe if you want to take the control discreetly, better not to start brainwashing the president :)
I don't know, part of the cyberpunk genre vibe is that is based on plausible futures...you can pick real world and distort it slightly to make it something that is uneasy.
Funny thing,you already interacted with a Rogue Ai in NC which was a poor illegal immigrant running a taxi company didn't looked too scary to me.
And the easiest point to do an Ai uprising is Switzerland,who is going to handle the whole army to an Ai.
But since all is speculation it might be one,another or just the good old reptilian
 
I don't know, part of the cyberpunk genre vibe is that is based on plausible futures...you can pick real world and distort it slightly to make it something that is uneasy.
Funny thing,you already interacted with a Rogue Ai in NC which was a poor illegal immigrant running a taxi company didn't looked too scary to me.
And the easiest point to do an Ai uprising is Switzerland,who is going to handle the whole army to an Ai.
But since all is speculation it might be one,another or just the good old reptilian
Yep, all is possible, who know :)
I would be a little disappointed if behind Mr Blue Eyes, the Peralez or Garry, it was "simply" a Corpo.
But it's the "strange" tech (to use V's words in French) used in the Peralez penthouse and the van, that makes me say that it would be more than a "simple" corpo (I hope, I cross all my fingers).

And for Delamain, yes at the start, he/it is nice. But some of his "parts" are quite scary... (the one in Badlands or Wellsprings). And maybe also "himsefl" when you merge his parts :)
 

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To be fair something regarding the AIs is brewing. Maman Brigitte's ominous talk hints at it, AIs are also investing in Orbital Air.
 
To be fair something with the AIs is brewing. Maman Brigitte's ominous talk hints at it, AIs are also investing in Orbital Air.
Automatic stock investment by algorithms or "ais" is already happening nowadays, nothing scary here.
And Mamman Brigitte,i was under the impression that all is pseudo-religious and 2nd hand, they need you to actually make a real contact with an entity behind the wall.
 
Another build came out just 5 hours ago
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Remember that these are not all the builds they are doing, they have their internal servers to push these changes. These are exports for testing branch for QA to test.

It's been 4 days of updates in row which is very exceptional. I really wonder if this is to indicate something new they already would have had in June 1.23 patch but delayed because they wanted to release the DLC in perfect condition.

I remember hearing Pawel talking about DLC and he said something to the tone of "If it were up to me I would have released it. But we want to make normal game run super well first before we push out new content"

So it could be that they delayed this major patch / DLC after the 1.23.

Remember during 1.23 release there was comments from Adam Kicinski which stated something to the tone of "we've reached satisfactory performance and stability."

So 1.23 was to put the game back and restore the stability... so before 1.23 was out they already had likely plenty of things ready for DLC but due to the leadership they delayed and wanted the game run in satisfactory level before starting to push out new content.

Fair enough, but it seems like the time for DLC has come... perhaps end of this week or next week...

If it was just performance increases, they wouldn't be adding new speech... unless of course that's just downscaled audio for base-gen... well... in that case at least the game would run better I guess... that would put more pressure for next patch after if they were to release 1.24.

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To be fair something regarding the AIs is brewing. Maman Brigitte's ominous talk hints at it, AIs are also investing in Orbital Air.
Good video, completely missed that parts potential significance.

AI investing in Orbilar Air (specialized in space flights) when it's CEO gets thrown off and nothing new changing... hmm, could it be the new CEO could be Mr Blue Eyes or someone of that group?

Crystal Palace is not a new thing, right? It's been there for while, so why now all the sudden there would be anticipated rapid increase in need for space flights? What else there is in space.... could it be... oh no...

It's the techno-necromancers from Alpha Centauri!

THE END IS UPON US!
 
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Automatic stock investment by algorithms or "ais" is already happening nowadays, nothing scary here.
True, but to me the more interesting part is the corporation they're investing in. The one that's responsible for transporting cargo and people to orbit. Could be a stretch, sure, but I still found these space and potential AIs connections quite interesting.

And Mamman Brigitte,i was under the impression that all is pseudo-religious and 2nd hand, they need you to actually make a real contact with an entity behind the wall.
Well, she mentioned wanting a safe passage past the Blackwall, and whatever change she means she said she wants to be on a winning side. It's a cryptic conversation, as all video game conversations hinting at potential future stories tend to be, but to me it sounds like some kind of conflict with wild AIs is bound to happen sooner rather than later.
 
Just little separate topic but still little tied to the rogue AI.

Garry the Prophet in one conversation refers himself as the Cassandra, which is ancient Greece legend of a prophet who was cursed to utter true prophecies, but was also cursed to never to be believed.

So could it be that Garry is "cursed" to utter these truths in some form of nonsense so that nobody would take him seriously... but if you were to listen and actually follow his instructions you'll find out that there indeed is something larger happening.

Could it be that Garry's implant was intended as some form of punishment, where he's seeing what the AI is plotting but his brain and speech patterns are altered in a way that he can't form sane sentences without appealing to mythological characters.

And if you look how AI like Alt talks, or the AI contacting and warning you not to interfere, they like to talk in riddles, often even repeating phrases from old Greek myths. Remember the warning: "you're playing with fire, don't cross the line."

In Greece fire represents the spark of human intellect and knowledge.

So what the AI is truly warning about "don't you dare reveal our true identity, don't dig too deep" and we never get to really see who's behind it all, that's why we are left alone.

The Databank you're send to recover for Sandra Dorsett contains words 'carpe noctem' which translates to 'sieze the night'.
That data also shares a details of unwilling and unaware employees of Night Corp being tested with subliminal conditioning their staffers.
Sandra seemed to be aware of this was happening and that's why she got caught and almost killed before V by pure luck manages to get there in time to stop cutting her body to pieces.

Co-incidently Garry also was referencing about werewolves which during the night set up for a hunt for human flesh.
And these werewolves aren't bound by the "reptilian law", so possibly what this means is that these werewolves, or Scavengers (short version: Scav) aren't bound by our "reptilian brain" that sets our moral laws.

Scavs are the werewolves that celebrate on maiming and killing of humans.
Lizards and Reptilians are likely just references to humans and their need to create order. Could be government agencies like Netwatch that are there to bound these beasts.

Vampires are reference for these unaging old people like Saburo Arasaka who just live forever and ever.

Garry also refers to a ship from Alpha Centauri crashing into bad lands and carrying a substance, which was highly sought after Vampire elite from Arasaka. So this substance was likely something what is used against aging.

And this is said to transform people into werewolves, or Scavs which likely harvest these organs from people that are likely used in manufacturing of this highly valuable substance.

Could it be that this "Alpha Centauri" is reference to AI and that it was AI that developed this cure against aging, and it required human bodies to be sacrificed to manufacture. Remember, and this is the KEY point, In Cyberpunk world, human limbs would be pointless thing to sell since people replace them with artificial body parts anyway. So those body parts have to be used somewhere else.

"Their mothership conceals itself above our very heads!" could reference the Crystal Palace, which is the location of the ultra rich people living in paradise just like in movie Elysium.

It's likely that the ultra rich are in control of their own AI and that in Cyberpunk world only way to get to the top is to own an AI, so the Crystal Palace has actually become a hub of the ultra rich and their controlled AI.

So the code for AI being as complex as it is, making references to ancient legends and stories, being so vastly different from humans, it would be no accident Garry thinks these beings are out of this world.

So could it be that Mr Blue Eyes potentially being rogue AI means that he's waging a war against the wealthy class living in Crystal Palace, who also operate a ton of AI themselves?

And that Garry the Prophet wasn't actually siezed by the rogue AI men with blue eyes, but a totally separate group of men with blue eyes, who were operating under the influence of the wealthy elite.

Perhaps these wealthy being living in Crystal Palace could themselves be a fusion of AI and humans, where their original hosts have long since died off, and replaced by copies of technology created by Soulkiller.

So Garry the prophet wasn't actually warning about hostile rogue AI takeover, but warning against the techno-necromancer elite that is living in the Crystal Palace? AI super intelligence of beings that are far beyond humans, just there to try navigate the humankind and maybe form their own visions of the future of the planet.

Rogue AI and the AI who takes a form of Alt Cunningham would technically then be the anti-capitalists who seek to eradicate these great authorities just like the original author of DataKrash who tried to find way to destroy the wealthy class by creating viruses to take down the Net.


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This is where V steps in and his role is to fight against these elites with the help of Mister Blue Eyes setting up the Casino heist to steal valuable intel about the people living in Crystal Palace.

I have little to no doubt the expansion (whenever it's to come) is going to be dealing with a some form of grand conspiracy that ties these loose ends together.

Garry already warns the people that their memories don't belong to them... that they are already brainwashed... so it could be that V is only protected from them due to the Relic.

There was rumors of DLC called The Relic and soon later the missing talent tree was named Relic... so this could all be connected!

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Going back to one of the backgrounds called "Consumerism", if you check from Steam DB they actually originally were called "Pills" before being renamed to "Consumerism", which means that it could likely indicate that this isn't just some anti-spending statement, but idea was that these pills were send to citizens of Night City, in order to pacify them, subject them unknowingly to false memories and control them. They say they are only vitamins, and the Peralez himself checks it out, and it says "yeah they're just vitamins" but how are we to trust these results, if everything is already controlled by AI?

If you assume majority of the corporations are already in control by the AI, it could explain why these pills have so many different brands of manufacturers, as there's no more large corporation that are controlled by human entity, and it doesn't matter who produces it since they could all be controlled by same entity or group of entities.

This is the control what Gary was trying to warn us all along. Wake up sheep!!!
 
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True, but to me the more interesting part is the corporation they're investing in. The one that's responsible for transporting cargo and people to orbit. Could be a stretch, sure, but I still found these space and potential AIs connections quite interesting.


Well, she mentioned wanting a safe passage past the Blackwall, and whatever change she means she said she wants to be on a winning side. It's a cryptic conversation, as all video game conversations hinting at potential future stories tend to be, but to me it sounds like some kind of conflict with wild AIs is bound to happen sooner rather than later.
Could be Rogue Ais or that Militech announced a new Mars colony and they are selling land for the rich and you can expect an increase of demand of orbital traffic. Normally,near orbit is controlled by Highlanders clans and its not very suitable for Ais due to time lag in communication but you ignore it also (i mean rpg-->suspension of belief).
From what i know,what is dangerous behind the Blackwall are not the Ais but Rache Bartmoss RABIDs...although it might be that Ais want to run away from old Net and invade human space just for saving their "lives".
Could be anything really, i was just pointing out that the game provides all the clues without need to made your own theory ( and i think Pawel said something like "all is in game"?)
 
When I opened gog galaxy to play Cyberpunk a minute ago I got a patch update availiable message for patch 1.38 I am currently at patch 1.23, It had patch notes a lot of them had to do with Xbox. When I went ahead and clicked install patch I got a error warning that files were missing to run Cyberpunk then the patch update window dissappeared. After rebooting my pc and opening gog galaxy never saw the patch update message again kind of weird, just wondering if anybody else had something like this happen Cyberpunk seems to play just fine for me just kind of strange.
 
I was watching over the Gary prophet quest line again and the words come out from the shard: Project: Oracle, Command: Execute Plans.

So who or what is oracle?

Oracle:
A priest or priestess acting as a medium through whom advice or prophecy was sought from the gods.

It could be that Gary, along with many other "oracles" were part in testing how humans are able to commune with the chip that is able to spread these AI instructions. If we assume there are no accidents, then most logical reason for Garry to have this chip is that it's testing for something.

The more they were able to make the voices in his head seem like actual instructions the more loud Gary became. Eventually he became so convinced of his theories he had no hope but to tell about his thoughts to other people.

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So Project: Oracle could mean that Gary, and others like him, are being transformed into an actual vessel between the ones who captured him and the common man, men who have constant connection with blue eyes to some entity controlling them?

When you talk to his replacement after Gary is gone, his follower tells he was taken by people with blue eyes. Mr Blue Eyes thus isn't really a name, but just what we call him because he's the one we get in contact with. There could be entire armies of blue eyed beings.

But what is the end goal? Just to control people? Perhaps they indeed intend to have some new cult being formed and widely accepted everywhere in world. Obvious goals are of course money and power, there's no escaping it.

Maybe this cult would be set out to replace the remaining religions with a "super religion" that would be so contagious and addicting, once you set people into certain type of thinking, they'd never let it go. Everyone would be slave to the almighty ministry of that religion and the wealthy. Perhaps this cult could be able to manufacture evidence of God so convincing it'd make most people that aren't hard scientists to accept it as proof of God.

Everyone would be more content on what they have rather than what earthly desires they used to crave. Maybe Joytoy business is going to be destroyed by these radicals and there's some purge going on of those who deserve to live and die.


Or the project Oracle could not refer to Garry but could still mean there's some plot to use humans as mediums for AI to control.

So the ultimate conclusion could be... Mr Blue Eyes is actually an oracle.

He communicates with someone or something in a constant connection, and is likely instructed to do certain events. In E3 trailer we see him wipe out Arasaka employee perhaps with advanced non-traceable hack created by the AI, while he just sips down water. Through... him drinking water or white wine or something seems to indicate that he still has humanside as well... so could this not be a complete control? Could he still be himself while still enabling the AI to see what he sees and hear what he hears?

And since you weren't really caught and assassinated, means that you didn't manage to actually reveal anything of importance... You were just forgotten.

Only thing working against this theory is the fact that you can complete Peralez quest line before Garry's quest line... but of course they could perhaps tweak the quest slightly so that Mr Blue Eyes wouldn't appear before Garry is hijacked. Or perhaps Garry would get hijacked if you enter certain part of Peralez quest line.
 
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