No way, say what you will about GTA Online but GTA single player games are almost always top notch.
RDR1 was miles ahead of CP77
I mean if you get picky we can say that RDR1 is the sequel of Red Dead Revolver (well it is) but CDPR had 3 games before and 1 kind of open world (TW3). But still it fails to feel it's the same company that made W3, despite me not liking it persoanlly but I saw the good in it and I always recognized it.
Cyberpunk isn't new. It came out in 1988 and has had world building since then. They also happened to have the creator of the Cyberpunk IP working on this game with them.
They also had triple the budget of RDR2 and a similar amount of development time to make this game.
Yep. It's just that. A runaround shooter with basic missions.
Drive, shoot, and nothing else.
Not an RPG.
Yes but somehow the world feels more alive than in CP77. because it has systems that work. Los Santos is empty as well, but hides it well thru systems totally disregarded by CP77, like they never existed in the open world genre at all. (even if S andreas had more interaction) But Rockstar got the message and tried to be better with RDR2, and it freacking did.
Like ok, I'm doing a mission I get wanted by mistake, ok don't even let me start with it, suffice to say in CP77 you'll never see a police chase, unless scripted.
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ABSOLUTELY FOKIN TRUE.
RPG = Role Playing Game
It basically means that I DECIDE what to do, how to do it, and when to do it. 1200+ hours on Skyrim and still playing it. Absolutely ridicoulous how they call TW3 and CP77 "RPGs". I mean, Skyrim in 2011 lets you be WHATEVER you wanted to be, COMPLETELY explorable and interactive map, INFINITE quests, best police system I've ever seen, guilds destruction/joining, complete pg personalization, exceptional romances (yes.. me and Serana are still friends but I'm still working on it), HOUSEBUILDING, companion system, INFINITE dungeons, Map bosses, Daedric artifacts & other secret op collectibles.. and EVERY ITEM HAD ITS 3D MODEL. Pls don't call yourself "leading RPG industry" because TW3 and CP77 ARE NOT RPGs, more like "casual rpgs".
Yeah and if you were going with calling CP2077 GTA in the sense that GTA isn't an RPG then I'm with you on that. I just don't think it's fair to put CP2077 in the same galaxy with GTA because though GTA isn't an RPG, it doesn't sell itself as an RPG and for what it is, it's great.
Couldnt have said it better myself mate. Spot on.
Skyrim continues to be the gold standard when it comes to true individuality, that, even though you have a prophecy to fulfil, you can still go about your things and be whoever you want to be. it really does seem that Elder Scrolls 6 and Mass Effect 4 are my next big hopes for the RPG space.
Just now have to hope that Bethesda have kept EVERYTHING that made skyrim great and simply built upon it with more, rather than cut things "they feel" arent needed. just KEEP EVERYTHING you have and continue adding more. its a winning recipe!!!
Oh I'm definitely not slighting GTA in the least. I love the GTA series.
Have purchased and played GTA all the way from the top-down first version on the PS, all the the way to the PC, with GTAs 3, 4 and 5.
I'm just saying that CP77 tried to sell itself as an RPG, but ended up as more of a GTA style game in the end.
It failed to be even that. It fails to be anything besides "Dragon's Lair", which is my fav laser game of the 80s, and Don Bluth is a God to me speaking of animation and drawing, oh yea...DL was hand made with pencil and paper...CP77 has CGI that animates itself...so yes. The art is there, but somewhere else.
Just here to totally agree with the OP's points.
Also, forget the RPG part, the game is an open world. Aka, you can freely navigate around the game world, by foot, in a car, or fast travel. Open world concepts are not new. There is a bar set by previous games with open world settings. Such as basic traffic AI, ffs.
The [...] here can't admit that while yes, this game has an awesome polished static world, they didn't do basic stuff you would see open world games from the early 2000s. Are we just OK with the fact that no-witness crimes are immediately seen by police? That police just magically TP to you? That they won't give any chase if you try to leave? That there is no dynamic driving AI? That by looking away and looking back, objects like cars and people are respawned differently? Etc. You are supposed to be immersed in the game, with the amazing set piece, but there so many things that break immersion, its like having a great dream and immediately being shaken awake.
CDPR promised a lot of this stuff, word for word. Promises that didn't even come close to being done.
I am about 20 hours in and I stopped, partly because I am wondering if they will address any of this down the road. As someone said it on twitter best, this is like watching a movie you want to see so badly on a shaky cam recording of someone in the theatre. Do you really want to watch and experience it that way? I know if I play and beat the game as is, I will probably never return, even if they do fix the bugs and address the glaringly outdated technology for their open world game. This is like a still painting, beautiful to look at, but that's about it.
Hoping for the best.
Also, forget the RPG part, the game is an open world. Aka, you can freely navigate around the game world, by foot, in a car, or fast travel. Open world concepts are not new. There is a bar set by previous games with open world settings. Such as basic traffic AI, ffs.
The [...] here can't admit that while yes, this game has an awesome polished static world, they didn't do basic stuff you would see open world games from the early 2000s. Are we just OK with the fact that no-witness crimes are immediately seen by police? That police just magically TP to you? That they won't give any chase if you try to leave? That there is no dynamic driving AI? That by looking away and looking back, objects like cars and people are respawned differently? Etc. You are supposed to be immersed in the game, with the amazing set piece, but there so many things that break immersion, its like having a great dream and immediately being shaken awake.
CDPR promised a lot of this stuff, word for word. Promises that didn't even come close to being done.
I am about 20 hours in and I stopped, partly because I am wondering if they will address any of this down the road. As someone said it on twitter best, this is like watching a movie you want to see so badly on a shaky cam recording of someone in the theatre. Do you really want to watch and experience it that way? I know if I play and beat the game as is, I will probably never return, even if they do fix the bugs and address the glaringly outdated technology for their open world game. This is like a still painting, beautiful to look at, but that's about it.
Hoping for the best.
Really sucks how there's barely any player agency in the game, all dialog choices fell like they will have the same result, the best designed quest in the game was the one they showed in E3 that's 1 hour into the game, after that, it's all linear. Also V somehow feels like a more predetermined character than Geralt.
On point mate. ive got just over 50 hours and havent actually played any at all tonight for the first night since release. im simply too perplexed after the "Honeymoon" phase has worn off and ive come to see things for what they are.
And to think i had almost 2 weeks paid vacation set aside for this... i dont even feel the need to full complete my first playthrough let alone another 2 for the other life paths.. i was clearly a little over ambitious myself.
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Let me guess... wait for it.. youre talking about the Maelstrom quest? the famously touted "7 different out comes" quest????
I remember when RPG's were RPG's and your role wasn't dictated to you. I remember when you could choose between what kind of role you were playing, what kind of person your character was etc. Lately it seems like our choices are coming down to choosing between the dialog options of "Yeah totally" and "Hey man fuck off" only to find out it doesn't matter much what we say and what we say is often not what is said.
The "Role Playing" side of RPG is certainly beginning to take a backseat lately. it is quite concerning too that an almost decade old game like Skyrim still carries to torch.
So far it has been nothing but shooting.
Stealth missions invariably turn into shootfests when your attempts at sneaking fail because of dodging.....
Other than that, delivery missions? So GTA.
Go there, steal that? GTA.
Go there, kill someone? GTA
Go there, steal something? GTA
Let me know what isn't GTA?
Hacking. But, it's too weak when you face multiple opponents. So GTA again
