V succeeded in heist, Dexter DeShawn was the one that fucked up

[IndifferentEmpathy]

Consider this after heist:

• Relic successfully stolen and in working condition
• Relic is not stuck in V's head and can be safely removed
• Safely Delivered to drop point without anybody tailing
• Arasaka has no clue V has it and not hunting V (likely distracted by Yorinobu cleaning house)

T-Bug and Jackie dying is unfortunate, but they did not had what it takes to handle this level of complications, unlike V. If T-Bug was better hacker or Jackie had more chrome they could have lived, so its on them.

Parker lying and not having clients or money is irrelevant as the relic is prototype Arasaka immortality tech - all the corps in the world would kill for this. Kang Tao even had acquired Hellman to work on this tech so they would have been interested in it for sure and would have made contact if the info that the relic is for sale got around.

But Deshawn shat his pants, damaged relic by botched attempt to kill V so it got activated and become unremovable, then called Takemura to try for some deal with Arasaka and just got killed like retard.

 

[tavellone]

Well, the heist itself was a total mess whichever way you look at it, but it certainly wasn't actually V's fault, or anyone else's. I can understand why DeShawn would try and get out of the mess that was created by stealing the relic, but definitely DeShawn wasn't thinking very cleverly or tactically at all. He couldn't have known, however, that trying to kill V would activate the relic, so can't blame that one on him.

 

[Monkeydust372]

Yeah, the job going south wasn't anyone's fault.

I understand Deshawn shooting V. Arasaka was more likely to trace V than Deshawn, and he wouldn't want V talking to them.

If we are going to blame anyone, I'd blame Jackie for accepting a job we were out of our depth on.

 

[LeKill3rFou]

If I have to "blame" someone for heist fail, it would be Evelyn, no doubt. She really piles "mistakes".
- She betrayed those who hired her to only record a DS, the VDBs. The spookiest and best netrunners in town, who have no consideration for anyone else than their own people.
- She tried to cut short Yorinobu to make a deal with Netwatch. Knowing Yorinobu was already in contact with Netwatch to give them the Relic.
- She planned to betray Dex, the fixer she hired.
- She lied to her best friend, Judy.
- She lied to V too.

So with all of that, if would've been a miracle if the heist would've went well

 

[GreyPuddin]

T Bug added hours to the heist by underestimating the security in Arasaka's network. I blame her more than anyone else.

 

[CreepySpydre]

Well, there are flaws in your reasoning.
1.) the relic was already damaged, Jackie last reading was 86% and dropping. Considering, he stop and prayed, and man-handled it would of damage it further. In addition taking it out of his head and placing it in V would also degrade it further. How it still working is anyone's guess, as not many chips work with only 99% integrity let alone maybe 70%. It could be the biological components (hence Biochip) kept it together by a shoe string.
2.) Arasaka may not of known who or where right away but man did they learn fast as evident Goro putting a more effective lead pellet in DeShawns head.
As whos fault this is... well the very evil Voodoo boys, who commission Evelyn (which they would of killed if she was successful as per Voodoo boys thing) I do get a sense of satisfaction of Alt frying the buggers..... poetic justice.

 

[BarefootWarrior]

As whos fault this is... well the very evil Voodoo boys, who commission Evelyn (which they would of killed if she was successful as per Voodoo boys thing) I do get a sense of satisfaction of Alt frying the buggers..... poetic justice.

This. Unfortunately, you don't find this out until later. In my view, at the core of the matter, it was Evelyn. She was out for herself and lied to everyone, even Judy didn't catch that something was wrong before this even happened. I agree that Evelyn would have been killed by the Voodoo Boys, but apparently she didn't think that one through or she had some plan that she wasn't going to give it to them in the first place, she probably lied to them too, and why not?

Frankly, had the heist been a success, I doubt that she would have even honored any deal she made with V either, possibly even try to kill him / her. You can come up with all kinds of theories about this one.

 

[UndeadYT]

Well, there are flaws in your reasoning.
1.) the relic was already damaged, Jackie last reading was 86% and dropping. Considering, he stop and prayed, and man-handled it would of damage it further. In addition taking it out of his head and placing it in V would also degrade it further. How it still working is anyone's guess, as not many chips work with only 99% integrity let alone maybe 70%. It could be the biological components (hence Biochip) kept it together by a shoe string.

The case was damaged in the heist, not the relic. The case is what was dropping percentage. Source: I literally just played this mission 10 minutes ago

 

[Spockprime]

Dexter was a major screw up, no doubt about that.

But I still blame V for the mess that they got themselves into. V should have realized pretty quickly that the job was beyond their capabilities, too many extra steps had to be taken that depended on too many other people succeeding with their parts, and most of all, that they were being set up for a double cross in any event.

In other words, V was doomed the minute they agreed to do the job. The only question was what form the doom would take.

 

[MartineDee]

Imo, it was an unfortunate surprise for everyone.
I.e. no blame, just commendations for how some handled themselves.

T-Bug, on her job until the last moment.
V, the weasel who made it out alive.
Jackie, faithful friend and partner (for Misty) until the end.
Dex, a drama queen who got what he deserved.
Takemura, an Arasaka dog who can't even learn new tricks. (couldn't resist ^^)

 

[tavellone]

The case was damaged in the heist, not the relic. The case is what was dropping percentage. Source: I literally just played this mission 10 minutes ago

Well you didn't pay much attention because Jackie literally says, quoting the biochip case interface 'biochip integrity 94% and dropping.' Source, I just watched the scene.

Besides, why would you have an integrity check on a case? How would you even measure the integrity of a case in a percentage anyway? A chip sure, you can check data corruption but a case is just a case.

 

[Spockprime]

Well you didn't pay much attention because Jackie literally says, quoting the biochip case interface 'biochip integrity 94% and dropping.' Source, I just watched the scene.

Besides, why would you have an integrity check on a case? How would you even measure the integrity of a case in a percentage anyway? A chip sure, you can check data corruption but a case is just a case.

Plenty of reasons to have an integrity check on a case. But I think you're right about the chip. The case was already broken, so the integrity of the chip was declining quickly. Since the case could no longer protect it, the only available alternative was for somebody to slot the chip.

 

[CreepySpydre]

Here we go again......... the case is destroyed. Jackie is counting down the Bio Chip integrity
Direct quote from Jackie: "Container Depressurized. BIOCHIP integrity at 94%."
"And F**kin dropping!! ....... "

The chip was improperly handled via Jackie meat hooks, and being exposed past the initial 86%, I would say around the biochip was around 72 to 70% integrity, when V finally has the chip. How it is still working is the question, I just chalk up to Biological components.

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[vitamin]

We don't know if Relic was safe to remove from V before Dex shot them. Actually if you think about it, Jackie died within seconds of removing the Relic—for all we know, he died from that and not from his injuries.

Also why doesn't V give Jackie a puff off their MaxDoc? Never understood this,

 

[LeKill3rFou]

Jackie died within seconds of removing the Relic—for all we know, he died from that and not from his injuries.

Hum... According to Delamain Jackie was severely injured (and "severely" injured is quite an understatement, "deadly" injured would be more accurate)
"Mr Welles' external iliac artery has ruptured, internal hemorrhaging is severe".
I'm no doctor, but this kind of wound, without surgery, could likely lead to death in no time. I assume he gives the chip to V because he feels he will pass away soon

 

[vitamin]

Hum... According to Delamain Jackie was severely injured (and "severely" injured is quite an understatement, "deadly" injured would be more accurate)
"Mr Welles' external iliac artery has ruptured, internal hemorrhaging is severe".
I'm no doctor, but this kind of wound, without surgery, could likely lead to death in no time. I assume he gives the chip to V because he feels he will pass away soon

Sure but why doesn't V give him a MaxDoc? At least try it?

Anyway you could be right but, I just don't think we can assume removal of the Relic was ever safe. Maybe it was, who knows.

I agree Dex is an idiot though.

 

[LeKill3rFou]

Sure but why doesn't V give him a MaxDoc? At least try it?

For story purpose

 

[mightymatt27]

Imo, it was an unfortunate surprise for everyone.
I.e. no blame, just commendations for how some handled themselves.

T-Bug, on her job until the last moment.
V, the weasel who made it out alive.
Jackie, faithful friend and partner (for Misty) until the end.
Dex, a drama queen who got what he deserved.
Takemura, an Arasaka dog who can't even learn new tricks. (couldn't resist ^^)

100% this ^ ...

orrrrr alternatively, kinda everyone a little bit. The thing that stands out to me is Yori swipes his pop's super special prototype chip. YET.... nobody involved in the heist mentions in any way that there is a fairly decent chance that Saboru figures out what happened and will deal with his kiddo. Somebody should have thought of that and said "hey, what if this thing happens? Do we have a contingency for that?" And then they would come up with something or collectively accept this is part of the risk because we don't know what to do if it happens.

I always felt it was a little odd that one of V's lines to Dex after the heist is blaming him for not knowing the Emperor's personal schedule. Even as V says it I'm sitting there like "Errrrrrm I'm kinda with Dex on this one." But that line also keyed me into why didn't anyone consider that possibility as I mentioned above.

 

[MartineDee]

100% this ^ ...

orrrrr alternatively, kinda everyone a little bit. The thing that stands out to me is Yori swipes his pop's super special prototype chip. YET.... nobody involved in the heist mentions in any way that there is a fairly decent chance that Saboru figures out what happened and will deal with his kiddo. Somebody should have thought of that and said "hey, what if this thing happens? Do we have a contingency for that?" And then they would come up with something or collectively accept this is part of the risk because we don't know what to do if it happens.

I always felt it was a little odd that one of V's lines to Dex after the heist is blaming him for not knowing the Emperor's personal schedule. Even as V says it I'm sitting there like "Errrrrrm I'm kinda with Dex on this one." But that line also keyed me into why didn't anyone consider that possibility as I mentioned above.

Well noted. I think they really didn't have a backup plan for everything, and have went in wishfully thinking things would just work out if they do their piece perfectly.

They may have been aware of possible unknown variables, but have went in anyway because every one of them wanted so badly to win something. Jackie wanted to level up as a merc. Dex probably wanted the gig as yet another crazy project. Evelyn wanted a ticket out of NC. Hell, maybe even Yorinobu wanted the chip to get stolen even before he purposefully chose to hire Evelyn under the pretext of entertainment, and all the bars were there to ensure the new owner of the chip knew what they were doing!