Will Cyberpunk 2077 be mature writing?

[NightSavior]

I didn't mean lack of 'options' from a romance standpoint, I meant the scenes themselves. In W2 they showed a ton of different angles, the scenes were just more thorough - in W3 they were very vanilla, most scenes were just copycat scenes of every other scene with a different face model on the NPC.

Personally, I don't really see the point of sex scenes being more graphic - these games are not meant to be porn after all. As I see it, "mature" does not equal "more nudity", "more explicit visuals" and "more violence". That's pretty much the immature approach in my opinion. For me, mature games approach subjects from a less black-and-white point of view, handle difficult and heavy subjects and involve adult themes like sexuality and violence but do it in a smart and mature way.

 

[Snowflakez]

Personally, I don't really see the point of sex scenes being more graphic - these games are not meant to be porn after all. As I see it, "mature" does not equal "more nudity", "more explicit visuals" and "more violence". That's pretty much the immature approach in my opinion. For me, mature games approach subjects from a less black-and-white point of view, handle difficult and heavy subjects and involve adult themes like sexuality and violence but do it in a smart and mature way.

More or less nudity matters about as much as the penny I found on the sidewalk yesterday.

The devs can put as much or as little violence and nudity into the game. If they feel it adds to the story, I trust them, because they've proven worthy of that trust. CDPR is not the sort of developer to put nudity or violence in for the sake of it - it always has a purpose, it's not just to titillate the player.

Newer fans of the Witcher series or indeed CDPR in general may understandably have a more cynical view of the matter, of course.

 

[Suhiira]

More or less nudity matters about as much as the penny I found on the sidewalk yesterday.

The devs can put as much or as little violence and nudity into the game. If they feel it adds to the story, I trust them, because they've proven worthy of that trust. CDPR is not the sort of developer to put nudity or violence in for the sake of it - it always has a purpose, it's not just to titillate the player.

Newer fans of the Witcher series or indeed CDPR in general may understandably have a more cynical view of the matter, of course.

Well .. in the case of CP2020 ... nudity is sometimes nothing more then a personal fashion statement.
(CP2020 pg 34 - Dress & Personal Style - #9 Nude)

 

[Snowflakez]

Well .. in the case of CP2020 ... nudity is sometimes nothing more then a personal fashion statement.
(CP2020 pg 34 - Dress & Personal Style - #9 Nude)

And I'm fine with that. Honestly, even if they only put it in because of sex appeal it still wouldn't bother me. I just think it's silly to care one way or the other.

Didn't know there was a rulebook portion on it, though... that's amusing.

 

[Meccanical]

And I'm fine with that. Honestly, even if they only put it in because of sex appeal it still wouldn't bother me. I just think it's silly to care one way or the other.

Didn't know there was a rulebook portion on it, though... that's amusing.

Having a bunch of nude punks walking around would be a neat way to demonstrate just how far the traditional American standards of decency have degenerated over time.

 

[NightSavior]

CDPR is not the sort of developer to put nudity or violence in for the sake of it - it always has a purpose, it's not just to titillate the player.

Have you played the first Witcher?

I don't personally mind nudity and sex if it's done maturely and is in balance with the game and lore. Abundant and sensational use is just irksome and takes away from credibility and dramatic impact, in my opinion.

 

[Suhiira]

Having a bunch of nude punks walking around would be a neat way to demonstrate just how far the traditional American standards of decency have degenerated over time.

Decency is always a subjective quality tho.
Different cultures have different perspectives.
And this is one of the major problems ignorant tourists have .. they judge by their standards not those of where they are and tend to annoy the locals.

 

[Snowflakez]

Have you played the first Witcher?

I don't personally mind nudity and sex if it's done maturely and is in balance with the game and lore. Abundant and sensational use is just irksome and takes away from credibility and dramatic impact, in my opinion.

Decency is always a subjective quality tho.
Different cultures have different perspectives.
And this is one of the major problems ignorant tourists have .. they judge by their standards not those of where they are and tend to annoy the locals.

I get the feeling that you have a specific example or two in mind... Care to share with the class? I imagine you've seen some wild stuff in your life time.

Have you played the first Witcher?

I don't personally mind nudity and sex if it's done maturely and is in balance with the game and lore. Abundant and sensational use is just irksome and takes away from credibility and dramatic impact, in my opinion.

I've played every Witcher. It made perfect sense in the first game. Geralt had lost his memory, the only romantic interest he had was Triss (and sort of Shani? I guess?), and he didn't know her that well. Of course he's going to relive his playboy days. There's a reason he progressively becomes less of a "get with everything that moves" sort of guy as time goes on and we get to TW3.

That said, I don't think it needed to make sense. Like it said, I really don't care one way or the other. Too much, too little, it's all the same to me. It's fine if it bugs you, graphic torture and certain kinds of violence bug me too, we all have those limits (whether due to queasiness or "ugh this is dumb" feelings) we don't want games to cross.

 

[metalmaniac21]

Sex scenes with Yennifer aren't that hot and passionate as scenes from TW2 either, tbh.

 

[Raxaphan]

I think we will have night clubs, prostitution, maybe nude or topless npcs. We might be even able to have sex as many times we want.

Let me tell you that if I can't have a strong connection with a girl and be able to have sex with her, I will not go Casanova mode. Why?
Because in this universe I am 100% certain that after having sex I will wake up missing something, or be easy blackmailed later, or even dead.

 

[Sirenapples]

I hope CP77 is extremely mature in all elements, as much as they can get away with, and more so than the Witcher ever was. I feel like Cyberpunk should be a world where the worst of humanity is accentuated and pure innocence is quickly smothered by a grim life masked with neon light. Daring you to try to do good when faced by a the realities of a morally bankrupt world.
If there aren't clubs and prostitution, imma riot. Would be great to give you the option to be a part of that yourself in fact, to really play your own character trying to make their way in this world.

A nudity filter could be a feature in the game's options too, with a censor option (Ala Saints Row) and a nevernude option (Ala Skyrim / Fallout). I wonder if that will help an ESRB rating if such was an option.


With the transgender stuff mentioned in this topic, I don't think it's even a legitimate question in a setting such as Cyberpunk or in the real world 20-40 years from now. Bodies are heavily modifiable. Just think, you can have entirely cybernetic bodies or replace all your limbs but can't change a few sex organs around? That seems highly suspect. I believe anyone who experiences such thoughts would simply be capable of fully adopting their preferred body.
Meanwhile personally I feel it's pretty sexist to say I would in some way have to be part male just because as a woman I display some male personality quirks like liking video games, sometimes liking to be on top, or sometimes being a little too brash. Personality traits aside, the physical nature of the sexes becomes entirely irrelevant when you can have the body you desire with just a quick nap on the operating table. I do believe full replacement bodies are a thing in Cyberpunk, right?
You don't even need to go that far, but that's there as an option itself. Or your normal body could be fully re-equipped. I'm sure artificial wombs would be a thing too, organ transplants and lab-grown organs made as though your own. So any man who dreams of being a woman could get the full experience, or vice versa. And perhaps even keep the original body (If fully replaced) in storage to return to, possibly, if they ever want to go back. Or just skip over to another new body.

 

[sv3672]

I think we will have night clubs, prostitution, maybe nude or topless npcs. We might be even able to have sex as many times we want.

The Witcher 3 already has those, or their medieval equivalents. They are a minor element in the game, though, but it would probably be similar in CP2077.

Because in this universe I am 100% certain that after having sex I will wake up missing something, or be easy blackmailed later, or even dead.

Sounds just like the quest with Keira Metz.

 

[Snowflakez]

I hope CP77 is extremely mature in all elements, as much as they can get away with, and more so than the Witcher ever was. I feel like Cyberpunk should be a world where the worst of humanity is accentuated and pure innocence is quickly smothered by a grim life masked with neon light. Daring you to try to do good when faced by a the realities of a morally bankrupt world.
If there aren't clubs and prostitution, imma riot. Would be great to give you the option to be a part of that yourself in fact, to really play your own character trying to make their way in this world.

A nudity filter could be a feature in the game's options too, with a censor option (Ala Saints Row) and a nevernude option (Ala Skyrim / Fallout). I wonder if that will help an ESRB rating if such was an option.


With the transgender stuff mentioned in this topic, I don't think it's even a legitimate question in a setting such as Cyberpunk or in the real world 20-40 years from now. Bodies are heavily modifiable. Just think, you can have entirely cybernetic bodies or replace all your limbs but can't change a few sex organs around? That seems highly suspect. I believe anyone who experiences such thoughts would simply be capable of fully adopting their preferred body.
Meanwhile personally I feel it's pretty sexist to say I would in some way have to be part male just because as a woman I display some male personality quirks like liking video games, sometimes liking to be on top, or sometimes being a little too brash. Personality traits aside, the physical nature of the sexes becomes entirely irrelevant when you can have the body you desire with just a quick nap on the operating table. I do believe full replacement bodies are a thing in Cyberpunk, right?
You don't even need to go that far, but that's there as an option itself. Or your normal body could be fully re-equipped. I'm sure artificial wombs would be a thing too, organ transplants and lab-grown organs made as though your own. So any man who dreams of being a woman could get the full experience, or vice versa. And perhaps even keep the original body (If fully replaced) in storage to return to, possibly, if they ever want to go back. Or just skip over to another new body.

Just wanted to point something out, as I said in another reply to you a bit ago, but Cyberpunk isn't all about the world being horrible.

Yes, it's a depressing universe where morals are muddy at best and corporations dominate the world... But there also has to be that element of "punk". It's called Cyberpunk for a reason. It's why I don't think games like Deus Ex, or movies like Blade Runner, are similar to 2020 in any way other than aesthetics. It's about the feel, as some of the PnP vets here have said time and time again.

You have to feel that element of Rock and Roll, as Mike Pondsmith himself has said. Yes, the world sucks, but screw it. You're a badass... Or at least, you think you are. Let the world know it.

 

[Suhiira]

I get the feeling that you have a specific example or two in mind... Care to share with the class? I imagine you've seen some wild stuff in your life time.

Well .. I once had what most males (and probably not a few females) would consider the worlds best job
Prostitution is legal in Korea as long as they get a weekly blood test and pay their taxes. I was the head of the Military Police detachment in one red light district that basically catered to military personnel. So I had the "power" to shut a place down if they didn't keep their health cards up-to-date, or started rolling their patrons, watering their drinks, and all the other classic things such places engage in. As a female the Powers That Be thought I'd be immune (or at least less susceptible) to being "honey trapped" into allowing them to break the law/rules. So basically my job was to bar hop and chat with hookers.

That an odd enough example of cultural differences?

I hope CP77 is extremely mature in all elements, as much as they can get away with, and more so than the Witcher ever was. I feel like Cyberpunk should be a world where the worst of humanity is accentuated and pure innocence is quickly smothered by a grim life masked with neon light. Daring you to try to do good when faced by a the realities of a morally bankrupt world.

Now here's a person that understand the world of Cyberpunk!

 

[NightSavior]

I've played every Witcher. It made perfect sense in the first game. Geralt had lost his memory, the only romantic interest he had was Triss (and sort of Shani? I guess?), and he didn't know her that well. Of course he's going to relive his playboy days. There's a reason he progressively becomes less of a "get with everything that moves" sort of guy as time goes on and we get to TW3.

I didn't mean Geralt being "playboy" - I have no problem with multiple sex partners and casual sex. The game itself had a very questionable approach to sex, seduction etc. with the collectible cards you got after sleeping with each character. In addition, the quests gave a pretty skewed view of sex as a reward once you fulfill some minor fetch-mission for a lady. That's what was most problematic with the first game. It got better by TW2 and they improved the writing on this topic even further in TW3.

But yes, I agree about sleeping around making sense in the first game. It's not like Geralt was too chaste in the books either.

 

[Karma148]

I'm sure it will be very mature. With the Witcher series in mind, they most likely will include something mature. They have plenty of chances with examples like strippers, hookers, romance options, revealing clothing, even something going on the controversial side like sex slaves, bdsm, hidden cameras, the list can go on for awhile

 

[sv3672]

In addition, the quests gave a pretty skewed view of sex as a reward once you fulfill some minor fetch-mission for a lady. That's what was most problematic with the first game.

At least it is still more believable than when completing a fetch quest unlocks a marriage option in other games. It is easier to write mostly casual sex when the player's character does not have a history with the NPCs. Although it can still lead to surprising outcomes, like with Keira Metz in The Witcher 3. It is possible that in Cyberpunk's setting and with a custom protagonist, more like that would work better than long term relationships.

 

[NightSavior]

At least it is still more believable than when completing a fetch quest unlocks a marriage option in other games. It is easier to write mostly casual sex when the player's character does not have a history with the NPCs. Although it can still lead to surprising outcomes, like with Keira Metz in The Witcher 3. It is possible that in Cyberpunk's setting and with a custom protagonist, more like that would work better than long term relationships.

Oh, sure. I fully agree with you. Generally all kinds of romancing options in games feel quite silly to me. The Witcher 3 did a good job but the characters already had history so the scenes were credible in that sense.

 

[Ayesh66]

I hope so. Anyway if they keep close to source books, it should be.

 

[Sirenapples]

Just wanted to point something out, as I said in another reply to you a bit ago, but Cyberpunk isn't all about the world being horrible.

Yes, it's a depressing universe where morals are muddy at best and corporations dominate the world... But there also has to be that element of "punk". It's called Cyberpunk for a reason. It's why I don't think games like Deus Ex, or movies like Blade Runner, are similar to 2020 in any way other than aesthetics. It's about the feel, as some of the PnP vets here have said time and time again.

You have to feel that element of Rock and Roll, as Mike Pondsmith himself has said. Yes, the world sucks, but screw it. You're a badass... Or at least, you think you are. Let the world know it.

Really late reply, I don't check these forums often at all, But that rock and roll / punk element is somewhat inferred when I said that despite the grim world, it's daring you to try. Imo, a key element ot the spirit of punk and rock, is the daring. It's to go against the grain, and against the odds.

In order to have risk and stakes, you have to have friction. Friction provided by an opposition, something modern media is forgetting what with how Star Wars barely even has any threat or substance to their antagonists.

You got to feel the weight of the world, for it to have any meaning that you're standing out against it.

Assuming you as the player in an open RPG choose to stand out in it. I would love to revel in the dirt in some playthroughs making ends meet someway, start out trying to survive as a prostitute even, before finding your way to rise up in the world.

Games underestimate how interesting it can be to explore baser existences that aren't god-emperor savior of mankind, and a proper sandboxy RPG should be able to let you explore those elements. Let you go at your pace and eventually push past it to strive for heroism- Or villainy.