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My experience with unions (in health care mind you) is that they lead to complacency, poor work etiquette and likely a lesser product. The place I was originally from used to be home to tons of factories and manufacturers until the union movement lead to poor labor, poor production and pretty much every factory being turned into a den for the homeless.You’re right. The voice of one man is the voice of no one. There is safety in numbers.
Wrong. Workers in any field must cooperate and fight for their rights by forming trade unions that would dictate their will to the employer. Only by doing that on the mass scale would this practice of crunch be eradicated. Until developers en masse rise up against it rare outliers will keep getting silenced and media will keep pushing the “if it’s happening in all the game studios the it must be the norm” narrative.
HK-47 mode activatedYou can be a part of something amazing or you can be a mediocre nobody.
I'm also stating that "crunch" or overtime is a thing in literally any type of work field whether it's video game development, construction, house keeping or the medical field.
Wrong. Workers in any field must cooperate and fight for their rights by forming trade unions that would dictate their will to the employer. Only by doing that on the mass scale would this practice of crunch be eradicated.
Does anyone have actual information on this game mandating consistent and extreme overtime that results in firings if it's refused?I keep seeing people basically treating crunch and overtime as the same thing, and they're not.
Overtime is normal. Overtime happens and most times people will happily volunteer for it, because it's sporadic and something the employee can choose whether they want or not.
Crunch is forced extreme overtime, where devs are being made to work 80+ hour weeks without option (well, the option is they get fired and lose their livelihood).
If CDPR gets people to work some overtime, that's not an issue. The problem is when people are being literally worked to death.
Edit: Honestly without working for these companies or seeing the conditions first hand it's impossible for any of us to comment appropriately on the matter. If "crunch" means mandatory work without benefits (this is a thing even in unions though), then that's an issue. If people are able to decide whether or not they do overtime and are actually meeting the standard for the company, then it's fine I would say. Especially if they're being paid for their time. Someone commented at rates nearly double what I would expect in the U.S. in one of the most expensive states to live, so I can't imagine things being too bad.
If you have to work overtime for a whole year, it's not crunch, it's managers' incompetence. Or greed.Not occurring for longer than a couple months toward the end of development (I heard The Witcher 3's crunch time was like a year -- YIKES if true!!!)
Capital keeps the workers in check by keeping a certain sized pool of unemployed simultaneously threatening their current employees with a potential firing and upholding the idea that there a million miles long line of people willing to take their place if they don’t behave.
Should the employment contract for an indefinite period be terminated by the employer, the employer is obliged to inform in writing the trade union which represents the worker about the intent to terminate the employment contract and specify the reason for terminating the contract.
Furthermore, Polish labour code states (underlined emphasis mine);
The way this is currently being pushed as something unique to the video games industry and the way CDPR is being singled out for it
Other thread?If rumors of the other thread are true, then I honestly see no reason to have crunch at the moment at least. Maybe to get some presentations ready for events like E3, but development itself should remain standard and push the date back further into something like February 2021 instead.
Gives more time for development, eases stress on employees and lets the new consoles role out for a release on them as well. Win-win for employees, consumers and management. If it's true they're struggling with current gen, then releasing on the outdated technology might be more negative PR than anything.
Haha my bad, the one about the delay in the news section (post #318). Someone posted some rumors that were commented on and how the delay had a lot to do with the launch Xbox One (which would also mean the PS4 and probably Xbox One S) being outdated and requiring downgrades or something.Other thread?