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entirely true
when discussing MK (whole franchise), people have often flipped a shit over the oversexualisation of the women more so than the literal disembowelment. the fact that one was seen as obscene and needing overhaul (the oversexualisation--which, like, cool) and the other as defensible and requiring higher and higher fidelity (the gore--which, like, holy shit some of the devs got ptsd being exposed to all of that gore).
it was refreshing to see them bring back the friendships in MK11
when you've ripped out your 60th spine it just doesn't hit the same ykno?maybe instead of sex scenes in Cyberpunk we can have rounds playing patty cake like Jessica Rabbit in Who Framed Roger Rabbit ^-^
Because an AO rating will kill the game - can't sell on consoles and most retailers wont sell PC version in stores - thus certainly causing the company which has invested 8 years into it's development to lose tons of money.
That in turn could have other really bad consequences, such as management changes, takeover by some other major player in games development, or worst case bankruptcy. I'd like a chance to play Cyberpunk 2078 or The Witcher 4 helmed by the same board that brought me three excellent games in the last ten years (The Witcher 2, The Witcher 3 and Thronebeaker).
I'm willing to exchange explicit pixilated nookie for that ten times out of ten.
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I don't know why people want sex scenes in Cyberpunk 2077 in a particular way or at all. They may be suitable if they are relevant to the story, otherwise they feel to me like a waste of space and resources and a cheap way to attract people without making the game significantly better. I'm not strictly against them, I just think they are superfluous.
There's already a braindance of Evelyn Parker doing something than can be called sex in a cowgirl pose if seen from a distance spotted on "the gig" trailer so if you tried to catch us with "it's not used in the story therefore my puritan me says NO!!!" - you already at a loss, sorry - part of the story.
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In other series like Warcraft or Star Wars, I'd agree with you. But here in Cyberpunk, it is not superfluous, but rather a manifestation of what most members in the socio-economic hierarchy cannot have in their life --- being appreciated as a human.
In a world where technology has advanced so that any part of your body can be modified and evaluated as commodities, the connection between people not needed because an individual can sustain him/herself within the system by having enough wealth to maintain the technology to live the minimum welfare controlled by mega-corps. People become extremely expendable, nations become irrelevant because they are just tools that mega-corps use to enforce laws which do not protect people but rather just those who stay on the top of the pyramid, built on the misery of those pushed to the bottom by exploitation (you can call it 'injustice' but it really is just an inevitable result of post-capitalism driven by a technology-over-morals system).
The feeling of caring is even over-supplied in its physical, emotionless form. Joygirls/ Joyboys are so cheap in Cyperpunk you can order someone using vendor machines. Just like a can of soda. Think about it. You can use someone's body as if s/he's just a can of soda. That's how worthless most people have become in that dark future!
Recall from the Wiki that Cyberpsychosis can be cured through socializing and having sex, aside from therapeutic Braindances (BD). The opposite of not meeting one's baser needs and maintaining emotional / physical connections with another is the eventual fall into suicidal madness. Because if you are not appreciated as a human, what's the difference between you and a screwdriver?
This is also why sexual activity BDs sell. Because the reality is that most societal members are so worthless to each other they will never have that affirmation of being cared about. Its existence is not "oh look in the future we have VR porns!" but rather "oh look people would pay this much just to have the illusion that they are appreciated at all!"
So what is the solution? How would you even know that you are worth anything, to yourself, to the people you know, and to the world actively treating you like a screwdriver?
The answer is the activity that involves another person laying down with you, not because s/he has a deal with you, but because s/he wants to. Both of you, body parts replaceable, just like machines. But each of you agree that, while you're far from perfect, you are important enough to each other that, you willingly let your parts come together, even just briefly, to consummate your emotions. To affirm that you are part of something bigger. Maybe you're part of each other. Maybe together as one you will have a chance against the irreversibly miserable world you're both doomed to live in.
I guess we'll call that activity sex.
Is there a possible workaround for this?
Releasing an adult mode as a DLC with a symbolic price tag.
Total War does this to evade 18+ rating, and releases blood and gore DLCs post-launch.
Problem is the development price will probably not be symbolic.
And to add to this that wouldn't let you actually dodge the AO rating not to mention that you couldn't sell that DLC on consoles because both MS and Sony don't want to sell that kind of stuff.
Actually it would dodge the AO rating for the main game (like for TWW2) but the DLC itself would remain AO.
True that but the DLC itself has target audience past the AO age.
Funny to see that the age of consent is varied between 14-18 in most countries yet seeing some I/O action with nude actors is prohibited unless you're past 21.
My mistake, I was under the impression that if your DLCs had to be within the same age rating.
Nope. Because console players wouldn't be able to get it because of policies regarding such content would block it from being sellable. Plus i doubt CDPR would do that in fear of severe backlash/consequences for their company.
Is there a possible workaround for this?
Yes, make the game, include modding tools (Creation Kit or something like that) and then sit back.
All other problems get worked out. I believe Skyrim is the model video games should follow, and think about it, CDPR make a great game , someone make a great mod for it, another person hears about said mod and decides yea I want to see that... but I don't have CP2077 I'll go buy the game. It's a win win. You get to customize your game, without hurting anyone feelings, without changing the game rating and while creating a fan base that will grow and stay with you.
And this is not just for Sex mods, I could see modders developing car mods, new gun mods, new Apt textures.
Yes, make the game, include modding tools (Creation Kit or something like that) and then sit back.
That's what I am saying MAKE a "Creation Kit" for it.
All other problems get worked out. I believe Skyrim is the model video games should follow, and think about it, CDPR make a great game , someone make a great mod for it, another person hears about said mod and decides yea I want to see that... but I don't have CP2077 I'll go buy the game. It's a win win. You get to customize your game, without hurting anyone feelings, without changing the game rating and while creating a fan base that will grow and stay with you.
And this is not just for Sex mods, I could see modders developing car mods, new gun mods, new Apt textures.
oh someone (on pc) will break into the game and figure it out. if an official mod suite isn't released within 2 years, i'd say it has no chance of being made and released. but the community will figure out how to mod this game.
Why?
Well... Would you watch porn with your parents ?
That's what it would look like if you'd play such game on your tv in the living room.
Those kind of topics/questions are actually showing something wrong with people, not to attack anyone, but... Do you really expect porn? Why should it matter ? Can't a romance option can be good without seeing penetration and facial cumshot?
Of course not they won't go far...
Videogames are what they are, even Cyberpunk will ends up in children's hands, do you really want them to watch such things?
That's why they never go too far with sex, just think about it...
How many of you played violent game before they had the right age? Probably a lot.
And that's how you get a had reputation and almost kill your licence.
It's not to ridicule or attacking anyone, but, seriously, think about it for a second.
Video games are toys...
You can't spend 5years writting a character on, with motives, and a personality... Only to be "yeah, let's dress her like a cheap stripper".
It works for some character (mileena) but for other, they actually looks way better with actual clothes on them.
Why doesn't Raiden have a sexy tong's costume? I guess that wouldn't fit.
Just like, every woman in Night City arent build as a warm wet hole to bury your dick in...
And you guys still wonders why women get shocked about such mentality...
Picture womens are characters, not poster's playmates.
Some use their sexyness, some don't.
In MK11, Frost is a mean bitch, she's a cyborg, her costume fits her well, it's not sexy or revealing and it doesn't needs to be.
Sindel shows some skin, but she's written as a shady woman who use her charms to get where she wants, it's pretty fitting there.
Well... Would you watch porn with your parents ?
That's what it would look like if you'd play such game on your tv in the living room.
Those kind of topics/questions are actually showing something wrong with people, not to attack anyone, but... Do you really expect porn? Why should it matter ? Can't a romance option can be good without seeing penetration and facial cumshot?
Of course not they won't go far...
Videogames are what they are, even Cyberpunk will ends up in children's hands, do you really want them to watch such things?
That's why they never go too far with sex, just think about it...
How many of you played violent game before they had the right age? Probably a lot.
And that's how you get a had reputation and almost kill your licence.
It's not to ridicule or attacking anyone, but, seriously, think about it for a second.
Video games are toys...
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MK11... They just did the right thing.
You can't spend 5years writting a character on, with motives, and a personality... Only to be "yeah, let's dress her like a cheap stripper".
It works for some character (mileena) but for other, they actually looks way better with actual clothes on them.
Why doesn't Raiden have a sexy tong's costume? I guess that wouldn't fit.
Just like, every woman in Night City arent build as a warm wet hole to bury your dick in...
And you guys still wonders why women get shocked about such mentality...
Picture womens are characters, not poster's playmates.
Some use their sexyness, some don't.
In MK11, Frost is a mean bitch, she's a cyborg, her costume fits her well, it's not sexy or revealing and it doesn't needs to be.
Sindel shows some skin, but she's written as a shady woman who use her charms to get where she wants, it's pretty fitting there.
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Actually, I disagree with you.
But a while ago I do make my mind about what is the problem which cause people disagreement on that subject: some people, at different degree, are down to earth and cannot escape that. Even their fantasy have to follow down to earth rules.
So for some of this people it can go very far, so as for the most extreme cases looking at people killing NPCs as possible murderers (reason why you cannot kill childs even in videogames, even if in the end they are a pixel mass like any other NPC), or more common accusing people wanting eye candy in their fantasy settings as seeing IRL women as sex toys.
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The reason why no sane developer let's you kill children in rpg's is because of the severe Backlash/Consequenses implementing that into a game would have. There's no way a game like that would make it through a rating review/assessment. Not to even begin to talk about how much this would blow up all over most News Outlets. The act of killing children in general is commonly viewed as Repugnant ...
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