Yes, played that, too. A long time ago... but if I remember rightly, the author managed to achieve some quite remarkable sex animations with the NWN character models!Chrisso said:Haha, part 1 and 2 of course!No, actually there's a funny, full of tongue-in-cheek humor module called "Sex & The Single Adventuress". It's quite old, not as great as ADWR when it comes to storytelling, but it's a very funny mod nevertheless.
I totally agree, the novels written by Sapkowski are full of sexual content and all this makes the world of the Witcher and the character of Gerald more realistic.Only few games today, uses a little bit of sexuality inside:Mass Effect, the witcher...In my humble opinion, The sexuality's an important thing inside an RPG game but i also understand that isn't easy put these kind of material inside a game for the software house. (parents which contest the software house because their sons plays a game with these kind of sexuality.kharax said:
PEGI exagerate always. my version have 18+ and strong dialogue but not drugs.But maybe a little more erotic and sexual content (for a game like The Witcher) isn't bad if it's well implemented and not influece the gameplay.
I agree, but not with an age verification (not for me: i'm 25), at the last The Witcher's specifically created for 18+ audience, if parents doesn't control their sons ... isn't a problem of the game or of the software house.maybe i will suggest more sexual content (it can be implemented with a filter into the game options) and also a little more interactivity: i remember into a novel of sapkowski a fun scene of Gerald and another guy fishing. And it was comic when gerald and his friends catch only a pot at the last.Or also a scene into "the voice of reason" novel when Gerald take a bath.Think at it, a bath maybe in order to meet a girl or catch informations (in the book Yennefer asked Gerald to take a bath in order to speak with her) and a fishing spot will be also fun.
Well, I can't stay out of this discussion any longer. I completely agree with what Simon said above. Especially:Quote:Absolutely agree. While I applaud the courage of the developers for what they've done, I agree that it could have been done better. The first Triss, Shani and Adda cut-scene movies strike me as genuinely erotic, but the rest of Geralt's sexual encounters? No. And, for me, the 'sex cards' are a bit cheesy. Very often the model chosen for the sex card looks very little like the in-game character. And the sex card models are too similar to one another - I still think just one woman posed for all the cards.What's actually important, though, is not the card but the dialogue that leads up to the card. What is it that motivates this particular woman to share her body with the Witcher? The motivation doesn't always have to be love. It doesn't even always have to be lust. It can be all sorts of things - including fear and gratitude and pity and horror and even curiosity or boredom. Real women to really choose to have sex for all these reasons. But the reason needs so be exposed in the course of the dialogue, and too often in The Witcher it is not, or not sufficiently.End Quote (I can't get the quote button to work.Anyway, especially the last. I write romance novels--now, don't roll your eyes--with magic and hot love-making. It is darned difficult to get my hero and heroine together for the right reasons, whatever they may be. I'd like to see more lead-in, motivation, and consequences than some of the "drive-by" situations.BTW, I'm a female gamer who's been playing computer RPGs since they were invented.Again from Simon:Strongly agree. RPGs clearly work well for people of both genders. I strongly believe that there's a large untapped market for RPGs which explore human relationships more fully and with mre depth, subtlty and sensitivity, and it's my belief that those games will appeal at least as much to women as to men. And therefore, the sexual content in those games must be oriented at least as much to women as to men. Agreed.I did play NWN, and I missed the mods. Phooey.I might add that I have no desire to play online with 10,000 of my closest friends. I'm certainly in the minority here, but I was overjoyed that The Witcher was single player.FWIW, I'm the one who started playing Witcher first. Now my husband is hooked too. Cheers,FAM
FAM,If you still play NWN and want some of the mods, PM me. I believe I can find them still. Either that, or I can send them directly to you. Let me know which ones you're interested in.~ Roxy
I'd endorse that. I think it's superb.Chrisso said:Simon linked the best one already. It's the best, forget the others.
Agreed. I quite enjoyed 'A Dance With Rogues', but I was referring to some of the other user created Haks.~ RoxyEDIT: Also, be sure to check out Adam Miller's stuff. Awesome, that!
When I played NWN, I didn't try any mods. Clearly, I have something I need to do while I wait for September 16th to roll around....
I would to some degree.Its nice to have eyecandy and some extra RP options, but gameplay, more interesting story and quests and last but not least fewer bugs are a lot more important to me.Graphics is overall quite unimportant to me. A gripe I have about several newer games is the focus on graphics over gameplay and that release candidates are really beta versions that are tested by the paying community for free...That said, The Witcher strikes a good balance. While its somewhat graphics heavy, it does not go overboard and offers a ot in terms of gameplay and story. I expect the EE will improve dialogues and fix the bugs we found as well to make this one of the better games out there in this day and age.As for the topic at hand, I would say that the amount of sexual activity is certainly ample. I agree that there could be more immersion, such as more intelligible dialogue and dialogue options not being blatantly obvious. One of my biggest gripes was the Elf in the cave that you argue with and you suddenly end up with the sex cutscene. I was honestly like "what the hell".Re: ADWR. Its a great mod. I did a lot of bug hunting and some scripting for Valine for both parts even though I am not mentioned in the credits. Going through the module over and over testing all bits to ensure that it would end up bug free made me realize how well it was written and how much replay value it has. It is one of my favorites alongside Rick Burton's and Adam Miller's mods.Reaper004 said:
Graphics don't matter that much to me. Pretty graphics are nice -- I'm not knocking them -- but to me they're a frill. I'd love to see the current graphics-race among game designers grind to a halt, so that they can focus on gameplay instead.The story is very important to me, and that's the main (but not only) reason why The Witcher is my favorite RPG. But I don't think you can separate story from sexuality in The Witcher, given that a lot of the story is about Geralt's choice of Triss vs. Shani and that thinking about these things brings home to him the ways in which witchers are deprived of long-term relationships. The story of the missing mutagens and de Aldersberg's scheme is important, too, of course -- I think having both a professional plot and a personal plot makes the Witcher far stronger than having either one alone would be. As for the D&D-style feats that you ask for, I find them superfluous. Geralt isn't Some Generic Fighter -- he's a witcher, and witchers fight in a certain style. I don't know if witchers in the books even have ranged weapons. Certainly it seems as if it would be difficult for Geralt to have a bow, given that he's already got two swords strapped to his back. I suppose he could have a small ranged weapon, such as a sling or some throwing knives, but agility is the hallmark of his fighting style -- he can't be weighed down with a huge quantity of sling stones. Signs are Geralt's ranged weapon, and while the range isn't large, they're certainly quite effective.As for dual wield, again, it seems to me to mesh badly with Geralt's style. He's very, very fast, and that's part of his advantage. Slow him down by giving him a sword in each hand, and you may well reduce his damage, not raise it. Besides, it's silver for monstery monsters and steel for humanoid mosters -- did you want him to carry four swords?I love the animations of Geralt while he's fighting. I'm not generally a violent person, and I didn't expect to think that the fighting in this game was beautiful. But it is, it's beautiful. Low-level Geralt is graceful, medium-level Geralt is balletic, and high-level Geralt is acrobatic. Given how well they did with the animations for Geralt's professional life, it makes the lack of such animations for his personal life all the more obvious by their absence.I think Geralt's struggle to even have a personal life, given his profession, is part of what makes him such a sympathetic character, part of what makes him unique among RPG heroes, part of what makes us want him to win and be happy. Sex isn't the only sort of personal life a person has, of course -- I was glad they gave him Zoltan as a friend (and I suppose I'm glad for Dandelion, too, though he seems more like a younger brother to be bailed out of scrapes than a peer) -- but a person's romantic/sexual relationship is usually the most important relationship in their life, and including that, in my opinion makes the game much stronger. I think that including even more of that would make it stronger yet.
I think dual wield wouldn't be a far cry considering the outro While it wouldn't fit to Geralt, it may for a different character (and I dare say that in future mods and sequels of this game, there will be more characters to pick from).Very much agree that having friends such as Zoltan and Dandelion really helps, though I would have loved some more dialogue options and cutscenes there, talking about his past and all that. In a way, I think having a few cards less but more interactions with other minor and major characters, including conquest characters, would have been great, considering he can pick up almost 30 currently - I dare say that is about half of all non monster/enemy NPC types you meet in the entire game.If you reduced that number to about 15 but double the amount and quality of talk he has with the remaining ones, it would greatly enhance the game.
While it wouldn't fit to Geralt, it may for a different character (and I dare say that in future mods and sequels of this game, there will be more characters to pick from).Very much agree that having friends such as Zoltan and Dandelion really helps, though I would have loved some more dialogue options and cutscenes there, talking about his past and all that. In a way, I think having a few cards less but more interactions with other minor and major characters, including conquest characters, would have been great, considering he can pick up almost 30 currently - I dare say that is about half of all non monster/enemy NPC types you meet in the entire game.If you reduced that number to about 15 but double the amount and quality of talk he has with the remaining ones, it would greatly enhance the game.Corylea, The Witcher could of easily been accomplished without the sexual content. There have been numerous gaming titles which feature the protagonist invovled in a relationship but doesn't involve any sex. As for the added Feats, Geralt does Dual-Wield in the game...So your arguement there is invalid. Steel Group Style at Gold Point Level (If I recall correctly). Four Swords would hardly be required. If he Dual-Wielded the Silver & Steel Swords that would be sufficient. However, if they were to eve impliment this I think that it should be a feat acquired in a much later step of the game, considering it could very easily be overpowered.Ranged Weapons, they would've been a nice addition. A crossbow, sling, or something. It would've added an entire other aspect to the game. Not to carry with you for the entire game, but at some point I think Geralt should of had to use a missle weapon to reach out and touch an opponent.Graphics, I want my games to look good. I didn't pay $900 on a new PC to see mediocre graphics. Nor will I pay $30-50 for a game that belongs in the previous generation of video games. However, I do agree this needs less focus. It's becoming too important, which removes time alloted to developing the storyline, that is clearly more important.How is this all relevant though? It's suggestions to advance a game and attract the same player-base quantity without sexual content (Which in my opinion isn't needed). People often use the words intimate and sexual as synonyms. They're not. There are better ways to express a relationship between two characters than sex. I, and all my RL friends, even my father, (I'm 18 by the way) play video games for entertainment. Which, for us, is violence, decision making, and itemization (Be it Weaponry in an FPS or Equipment in an RPG), graphics, etc. It doesn't involve sexual content. If I wished for sexual content I'd watch a porn flick (Which I also detest, but that's my opinion).Anywho, that's just my 2 orens on sexuality in video games (Primarily The Witcher). If this offends anyone than you have my sincere apologies.
There are already other characters that one can play as in mods. As for sequels, I'd be surprised if they left behind the Geralt-only model, given that that's worked so well for them (as in, lots of sales and zillions of awards). I read an interview where the CDPR people were asked if they were planning to make several different kinds of games or just focus on Geralt, and they said something like, "Geralt's awfully charismatic, so we're sticking with him."STGhost said:
I agree -- more interactions with his friends would have been nice. The cutscene with the three of them in the bar showed that they know how to do this, too.STGhost said:
*nod* *nod* I think having several women that he can pick up in every area does say something about his character -- and does show that he can get all the sex he wants but that this does not alter his essential aloneness -- but I agree that reducing the number of pickups slightly and having more interactions with other characters would make the game richer.STGhost said:
Reaper, it;s clear that what you want from a game and what I want from a game are different. Which doesn't invalidate your choice, or mean either of us are wrong. But there are hundreds of games out there which are about hacking and slashing, about fighting styles and a bewildering array of different swords and armours of different qualities and with different properties. There are very few games out there with real emotional or ethical depth in their story-telling. Most games are the literary equivalent of airport-bookstall thrillers. Very few aspire to the status of literature.The reason The Witcher is outstanding is not that it has more and better fighting styles than other games, or that it has more and better types of sword or ranged weapon or armour. It's because The Witcher forces you, the player, to make genuinely difficult ethical and emotional choices. Yes, there are a hundred hack and slash titles out there with no emotional depth. That's been done. if that's what you want, you have half the games store to choose from. But games which - like The witcher - have emotional depth are rare indeed.Reaper004 said:
What is this fetish with dual weilding? Men have fought with swords for four thousand years over most of the continents of the globe, and nowhere did dual weilding emerge as a dominant form. Combat is the ultmiate arena of survival of the fittest - if you aren't fittest, you don't survive. And everywhere in the world in every period, men with one single reasonable sized sword survived when the men with the ridiculously large swords and the dual weilders died. Dual weilding may look pretty, but it's just a pretty way to die.In any case, that's beside the point. As I say, hack and slash is old. If you want to dual weild, if you want to use a two-handed sword or a katana or whatever, there are a hundred games to choose from. There is no reason for The Witcher to sink to a lowest common denominator RPG. It's good because it's different; making it the same would not make it better.
Why would it be 'better' if it had less (or no) sexual content? Sexuality is one of the most powerful drivers and motivators of human behaviour. It affects, in one way or another, the majority of our significant relationships. It's key to our experience of satisfaction, You can't write credible fiction about any character which ignores such a significant aspect of his or her life. And it's not only ridiculous to try. It's also panderiing to the things which are sickest in our culture - to our puritanism, to our misogyny.The Victorian age ended a century ago. We should have outgrown this peurile fear of nudity, of sexuality, of basic human honesty. It isn't shameful to be interested in sexual and emotional relationships. On the contrary, it would be actively unhealthy not to be. So there's no shame in admitting it, and expressing it, and taking pleasure in it - and, yes, playing games which explore and celebrate it.There are a hundred - possibly a thousand - shallow asexual hack and slash titles out there for you to choose from. If that's what you want, go and play them. Your choice is valid. So is mine. I choose to play a game with real dilemmas, real emotional depth and, yes, real eroticism. For me to be able to play the game I choose does not prevent you playing the game you choose.
I think it is time for me to stay mute in this topic. I will watch its progress with interest as the OP, but with you on board, Simon, my words would only be minor contributions, considering your RPG knowledge and your perfect usage of the English language.Dear Readers, repliers, posters:Human beings have sex. Sex is pleasure. So having sex is not an ugly mission, it's an adventure by itself. The Witcher does not tell the tale of a male humanoid, programmed to "hack and slash" every single creature with a beating heart. You cannot expect from a witcher to kill 24/7. The Witcher is a modified, enhanced human being and it has purely human thoughts. He meditates and he has sex with women. Well yes, I believe that the number of women he is with, is too high within the game. I would love to see the sex in The Witcher as a more precious reward for a remarkable amount of mental and physical effort given to violence in combat and flirtation with women. With less women, but more lust, more complex and sexual script. Some perilous quests, among all others, but this time to obtain the "victory of pleasure"...I want the EE and the upcoming EEs, or sequels of The Witcher, to be more realistic, especially in the sexual side. A game like this deserves a "throne". If the game tells the tales of a fearless warrior, then the game itself, has to be a fearless warrior against ESRB... Anyways, I'm garrulous again...SimonBrooke said:
There's no need to apologize for your use of English -- the above is more eloquent than many native speakers of the language can manage!kharax said: