You don't want to know what I think about giving grades to games one hasn't played.
Knock yourself out, chap. I did say so far from what I've seen, that's what it looks like it'll be. It's a prediction, not something I'm writing in stone. The point is even if that prediction is accurate, it doesn't mean I'd call the game complete garbage. Assassins Creed 3 for instance. Not complete garbage. Good average game.
But... I hate that game so fucking much. Because of Connor.
Because he's a dangerous, unstable abomination, as he tells you himself? But that isn't all. In Act 3, he outright tells you he's making a bomb, and the only choices you have are to be his stooge in this effort, or else stand by while he announces he's leaving and say "off you go then, take care." Hawke has no agency whatsoever.
This happens over and over. Another example is Sister Petrice. When you find out she double crossed you, you can threaten her, but she says "I'll not give you that opportunity today." What does Hawke do but herp derp stand back and do nothing. Again, even if Petrice got away, the fact that Hawke doesn't even try to stop her is unacceptable.
The worst example of choice being removed from you is, of course, is the final boss battles when the ally you're risking your life for decides right as you're winning the battle that all is hopeless and he's going to go zombie flesh creature.
I'm sorry, but you're telling me I don't know what I like and don't like. Screw that. Part of my hatred of the game is that I feel Bioware took advantage of fans' goodwill from Origins and cynically gave us half a game, outright lying in their marketing. But the game itself deserves its backlash.
Ugh, that guy. And he went on from that triumph to ME3.
For the abomination line, so what, when all you saw him do was kill some douchebag oppressive templars? If someone mentioned "Oh I'm dangerous, because when assholes kill innocents, I tend to kill them first." I'm not gonna go "Ok, let me kill you then." ? And as for the bomb, that's actually something I disliked myself, so no argument there. As for petrice, you do that and have no proof of the setup, you'll be hanged for killing a chantry lady. Not smart. Especially when the humans hate the Qunari and wouldn't believe a chantry lady set that up.
As for the boss battle, that isn't choice taken from you, that was yet another thing simply out of Hawke's hands. But regardless, it was stupid, I agree.
I'm not telling you what you do and don't like. I'm telling you that your dislike of a game doesn't make it a bad game. You're not thinking objectively, which you need to when someone wants to know if they might enjoy the game for 15 bucks. At least for a playthrough, which you yourself admitted you didn't finally decide you disliked the game until after the first playthrough. Meaning there was fun to be had.
There's a lot of things I dislike but know that doesn't make it "bad" or "garbage".
And considering that she ended up finding some fun out of it after all, it shows my point. If she listened to the majority of the people here, @Princess_Ciri would have thought the game had nothing worth spending the fifteen dollars for and wouldn't think it was at least worth seeing for herself. It takes a game to be truly truly garbage to not even be worth a look at for that cheap. DA 2 just isn't that game.
And that's all I've gotta say. This wasn't about you and what you like, but if someone else might find something enjoyable in it.
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One person's douchebag oppressive templar is another's bulwark against mad mages and abominations. Also, speaking from Hawke's perspective (not ours), was there really that much evidence at that point that the templars were oppressive douchebags?
That depends in whose viewpoint you side with. I had my sister with me I believe, and hawke has been on the run with his family their whole lives to keep her from Templar justice. And they used the tranquil guy, who they forced that on, to trap anders, so to me they were. And at that point anders has never gone apeshit on anyone but in defense from Templars. So at that point I didn't have a problem with not getting to kill him. The second time maybe, but you can avoid him killing an innocent then. If you hadn't, I'd have liked to kill him then though.
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^^ That's the thing. We're not given the option to roleplay as someone with the other viewpoint there. Forget what us players might know. What most people in the DA world understand is that abominations are mass-murdering threats to everyone. My Hawke could have just as easily been wondering why my sister had to be free the whole time we ran, and then decide the templars were right to trap Anders. Cuz he's clearly an abomination, who, for all my Hawke knows at that point, will likely be a threat to everyone sooner or later.
Because Hawke is an apostate, I thought she would see it as all the more important to keep the dangerous apostates under control. That's what the anti-Chantry folk are trying to convince everyone, that mages should be free to live amongst the general populace. Anders is a great advertisement for why they shouldn't be. Anyway, it doesn't matter if you wouldn't have chosen that, the point is that the option was never given when it's logical that it should have been.
I don't need to be objective. It's a crap game and I wouldn't spend five dollars on it, let alone fifteen.
I don't need to be objective. It's a crap game and I wouldn't spend five dollars on it, let alone fifteen.
Well I'm certainly not gonna argue for DA 2's lack of choice. I agree with you. I just don't think Hawke was as bad as people made him out to be. He was a mediocre protagonist who suffered to me mainly from the lame plot and cast. And he indeed had his issues. I prefer no voiced warden.
You do when someone else wants to know if there might be enough entertainment in it for at least a playthrough, which you yourself said. Otherwise you might mislead them from something they might like, and so far she does, so. Which is why I decided not to go on about what I disliked about the game only, and also include what I liked about it. Even though overall, I dislike DA 2 personally.
One thing I've noticed about DA2 that I'm a little disappointed about is the lack of offensive spells. No paralysis or tempest or blizzard? How can I be a kickass mage if the strongest thing I can cast is winter's grasp? I realllllly hope they have changed this for Inquisition because Origins had a really good magic system, it's a shame to see it go backwards. Not to mention the mage specialisations are awful!
And yeah, if I could have killed Sister Petrice at the beginning I would have done. I'm angry I wasn't given the chance.
Also, wtf is up with Fenris and Anders' eyebrows in this game? They're so weird looking. I've never had such an issue with eyebrows before in games but they look so freaky.
.......i am still enjoying it though. Mainly looking forward to seeing Cullen again. (¬‿¬)
And yeah, if I could have killed Sister Petrice at the beginning I would have done. I'm angry I wasn't given the chance.
Also, wtf is up with Fenris and Anders' eyebrows in this game? They're so weird looking. I've never had such an issue with eyebrows before in games but they look so freaky.
.......i am still enjoying it though. Mainly looking forward to seeing Cullen again. (¬‿¬)
Actually, I also liked the idea of Hawke being in over his/her head throughout the story. The game just took it beyond what was logical. And the problem I had with the no-voice warden was he/she stuck out in a bad way among an otherwise fully-voiced cast. But I'm still not very convinced the trade-offs made are worth it : / .
Even if he's just stood in the background calling Meredith crazy that's good enough for me :')
Lol we'll see
You're a mage too, so we'll see.As for magic, tempest is in there. Though I do remember the removal of some good spells I liked, which made me mad.
oh it is? Why didn't I see it? Do new spells appear once you reach a certain level or am I just being blind?
I don't remember actually, but I know tempest is in there. The area spells were my go to abilities.
I don't know about the eyebrows, but NEVER look at the female hands. Especially your sister's. Cannot be unseen. (now you have to look
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I don't remember actually, but I know tempest is in there. The area spells were my go to abilities.
I don't know about the eyebrows, but NEVER look at the female hands. Especially your sister's. Cannot be unseen. (now you have to look
Whenever they look sad or angry, their eyebrows move so much their eyes almost disappear. It's freaky as hell and not very attractive....
Lol my sister is dead so I can't look at her hands.... oop
Oh yea, lol. I forgot she dies if you're a mage. Congratulations, you get to shit on Carver! Lol. That's where I liked humorous Hawke the most. Making that little shit mangry. Such a hater.
As for eyebrows, I wouldn't know lol. I personally wouldn't consider Anders or Fenris to be particularly good looking. Especially not Anders, even in Awakening when he wasn't a total douche nozzle.
Carver is such a whiny loser, I'm glad he moved out to join the
Neither of them are particularly good looking
DA2 desperately needed an Alistair 2.0 because everyone else is so meh. Anders looks like he has a receding hairline....... nagl. At this point the Qunari are looking attractive this is what bioware has done i hope they're happy /bitter mumbling