Not at all. First, the Khajiit are kept out of all cities, including Imperial supporting ones. Second, it's their caravans, not all khajiit. We know this for the player, and because in the main quest, a khajiit woman who happens to be an assassin gets in, and she's just standing around in plain sight. And the caravans are kept out because they sell skooma and moonsugar, and the caravan owners even abuse it themselves. That's illegal in Skyrim, and Cyrodiil too.Keeping the Dunmer in the slums, Argonians on the docks? Khajiit cannot even enter cities? Yes they are racist. Despite the fact you can join them as any race.
First point, the Stormcloaks were actually given that name by the Imperials who wanted to belittle their cause. But they kept the name because they believed in Ulfric. Also, Ulfric killed Torygg to prove a point, yes, but also, because according to Sybille stentor, Torygg in the end never would have listened, and Ulfric already tried talking with him and all the jarls at the moot, and Torygg said nothing. Ulfric had no choice but to be rid of him. Also, there's no dialogue suggesting all he cares about is the throne. In fact, he mentions to Galmar several times that he doesn't speed things up because he cares for his people. This is propaganda stated against Ulfric.First play-through I picked the Stormcloak's, every other play-through Ive gone Imperial.
Lets look at the Stormcloak's for one minute. Named after Ulfric who only cares about being High King, to the point where he killed the High King he served in a unbalanced match he knew the king had zero chance of living through just to prove a point. A king by the way, that looked up to Ulfric and would have fought against the outlawing of Talos worship given time.
This is kind of an unfair statement. He is fighting for religious freedom. What do you expect him to do, not mention it? It's a civil war. Death is inevitable. And you can easily put the blame on the Empire for allowing the torture of Talos worshipers in the first place.Ulfric uses Talos to pull Skyrim families apart, where as you travel from city to city no matter who supports whom, everyone all over the map seems to support the idea of getting Talos worship legal again. Starting a war in your own lands, pitting families that have been friends for generations against each other because everyone agrees with your idea...
The Snow elves started it by attacking the nords and sacking their city, and even then, the Dwarves were the ones that lead to their downfall by purposefully blinding them. The Forsworn again, attacked the Nords first while they were busy fighting for the empire against the Thalmor, and their religion consists of turning women into hagravens, sacrificing people and kidnapping little girls... of course it's outlawed.Now lets look at how 'Skyrim is for the Nord's' has so far worked out, Snow Elves are all but gone, turned into the Falmar out of desperation not to be exterminated in their own lands by the invading Nord's. The Foreswarn have their homes taken from them and their religion outlawed by the same Nord's. Look at the Silverbloods loyal to Ulfric, slave masters that kill or imprison anyone they want for any reason at all. Look in Ulfrics own city, Argonians and Dunmer live in poverty and get paid next to nothing and Ulfric wont even walk over to the district as a favor to a war hero in his own city because the people his war hero is trying to help aren't Nord. Current popular thought among the Nord's is 'magic is bad' Doesn't seem like the College will do well in the long run under Ulfric.
First, the Empire didn't have to sign that treaty. There's evidence in the game to suggest that the Thalmor were just as hurt as they were:The Empire was forced to let the Thalmor come to Skyrim, they didn't have a choice if they wanted a break in the war. A war every Thalmor agent you find in the game says is still active no matter what a piece of paper says, they are just waiting to strike. A war that the entire Empire (Skyrim included) couldn't win, only hold out for a draw but somehow Ulfric will just kick out the entire Aldmeri Dominion after ransacking half of Skyrim's cities and turning their walls to rubble as well as severely diminishing Skyrim's fighting force, not only through getting rid of the Empires troops but killing off many Nord's through his Civil War.
Ulfric is power hungry to the point where he doesn't see/care that starting a war and dividing the Empire is only beneficial to the Aaldmeri Dominion, he is too stupid to be capable of leading a country.
**boy I went on a lot longer than I thought when I started writing, haha**
First, Ulfric didn't give him the rundown part of the city. They were there for hundreds of years. And considering they'd be homeless otherwise, I don't think a whole island and a whole city district is something to sneer at. And there's more evidence suggesting they are kept out for their own safety compared to the opposite, considering again, that Brunwulf, the Imperial supporting Jarl says as much.So he gives them the dirty, rundown part of the "city". Okay. Yes, anyone who has played TES should know the Argonian hatred of Dunmer but there is no evidence to support that he keeps the two segregated for their own good. And the High King at the time would have been under imperial influence which is probably why the Dunmer were given Solstheim. And Khajiit, the caravans are basically the only ones of their kind there, by not letting them in it's basically saying stay out to the race. So there's one in Riften, home to the thieves and Maven Briar, that says it all.
As for the Altmer(going off long ago memory here):
Old Man alchemist is a well respected man in the field, and he's been there some time. Regardless of my racism I would want to keep an attraction like that in my city. The Altmer merchant, being a part of the thief guild she could have connections.
But that isn't what Sybille Stentor said at all. She explains why he wasn't ready to go to war now, not that Torygg never would.First point, the Stormcloaks were actually given that name by the Imperials who wanted to belittle their cause. But they kept the name because they believed in Ulfric. Also, Ulfric killed Torygg to prove a point, yes, but also, because according to Sybille stentor, Torygg in the end never would have listened, and Ulfric already tried talking with him and all the jarls at the moot, and Torygg said nothing. Ulfric had no choice but to be rid of him. Also, there's no dialogue suggesting all he cares about is the throne. In fact, he mentions to Galmar several times that he doesn't speed things up because he cares for his people. This is propaganda stated against Ulfric.
Never would, now, Ulfric didn't know which was which. All he knew was that Torygg didn't budge, and Sybille's quote suggests he never would have because his faith in the Empire was well established. And anyway, because Torygg didn't say anything, Ulfric wouldn't be sure if he could talk to Torygg safely without being charged with treason and killed. There really was no option, considering Ulfric didn't even know what Torygg's thoughts were. Even if he was a supporter, which Sybille suggested he wasn't. Being willing to let him talk, and willing to help are two very different things.But that isn't what Sybille Stentor said at all. She explains why he wasn't ready to go to war now, not that Torygg never would.
"Because the Dominion is a sleeping beast that Skyrim cannot slay alone. Because many Nords are part of the Imperial army even now. Because the food and resources we get from the Empire are important to our people. Because even if we can't openly worship him, Talos the god was once Tiber Septim the man, and this is his Empire. And Torygg wasn't ready to let it fall apart."
Saying Ulfric had no choice but to slay his king is one more reason why he is unfit to rule. There were many options other than murdering his supporter and Sybille Stentor even said if Ulfric had asked flat out for support Torygg would have likely supported him.
Saying there is no dialogue to support the notion he cares only to be High King? When talking of the Jarls and the Moot they demand he damns them both saying he wont risk them putting Torygg's woman on the throne. And after the civil war is won for Ulfric he says the moot is a formality he is already High King. Why? When the Dragonborn did everything for him would he be the High King without question? You'd think he would be eager to put the Dragonborn up as High King as a display of force to the Aaldmeri Dominion.
I think if you hate the Thalmor, you'd join the guys that actually kick them out of Skyrim, not the ones that sat on their hands for 26 years, stating what Tullius said, that they're getting ready to fight "soon" TM.If you hate the Thalmor the most logical choice is the Empire. Think about it, do you really think the nords alone can defeat the Thalmor? No, a strong united Empire is needed to stand before the Thalmor if they want a chance at this.
One person is more evidence to the contrary. And regardless of what you say, it hardly matters when the khajiit are banned from ALL cities, Imperial and Stormcloak alike.One member of a race being in a city, the most corrupt city regardless of affiliation and that proves a point?
I'm just going to respectfully walk out of this.
Ambient chatter mentions Khajiit being in Markarth as well. There aren't many Khajiit in Skyrim besides caravans, so you're extrapolating a law that isn't there.One member of a race being in a city, the most corrupt city regardless of affiliation and that proves a point?
I'm just going to respectfully walk out of this.
I'd like to point out that at most, Ulfric calls the Thalmor knife ears. Tullius however:I always side with the Imperials. Ulfric is too racist for my liking.
Well Ulfric hates Elves which would cause a problem for me....
R-right... that's... I mean... who would side with the Stormcloaks ?
I've never used Falskaar before but I just looked it up and it looks good! I will download it later ^_^Do you have any favorite mods, or do you play Skyrim on console ?
Falskaar is a pretty mint mod, in my humble opinion ~*
Isn't the whole point of the Stormcloaks to rid Skyrim of races except for Nords? That seems pretty racist to me.I'd like to point out that at most, Ulfric calls the Thalmor knife ears. Tullius however:
Ever heard of white man's burden? That's this, except for Imperials. I really don't see where people get he's such a raging racist without any evidence from the man himself. Brunwulf continues the segregation. That should be clue enough that there's more here going on than people want to believe. The Imperials... are Imperialistic. If you know anything about Imperialism, you know that it breeds racism by establishing dominant cultures over others as "best", and because of that, it stomps out everyone else's eventually. We see this attempt in the Empire through the Alessian Order. So bad that Hoag "Merkiller" sided with the Aldmeri Direnni against them...
No, to put it simply, it isn't. You'll never hear a real stormcloak say that, especially not Ulfric. The ONLY person who does is Rolff stonefist. And Brunwulf can say what he wants, but he still continues the segregation. He mentions Nords, but the Argonians have beef with the dunmer too, as evidenced here:Isn't the whole point of the Stormcloaks to rid Skyrim of races except for Nords? That seems pretty racist to me.
Not to mention Brunwulf says the reason why he can't let the Argonians into the city is because the Nord population would hurt them. If Brunwulf was secretly a racist, I think the Dark Elves would mention how his actions don't match his words, but in fact they all appreciate him for what he has done in the past to help them. You can't expect him to just change everything instantly. Not to mention it would be unrealistic for the local nord population to suddenly welcome argonians/dark elves/khajits after all the racist propaganda the city has experienced. Change like that comes slowly, so it's a wiser move of Brunwulf to not make everything happen at once.
But I'm not saying that you don't have racist imperials, just that they're not as bad as the Stormcloaks.
...ahahaha, t-that's kinda true !Well Ulfric hates Elves which would cause a problem for me
...h-hope you like it. ~*I've never used Falskaar before but I just looked it up and it looks good! I will download it later ^_^
Oh, don't get me started ! I've got a whole ton of these cosmetic mods on my list.My favourite mod is probably the ApachiiSkyhair one just because it makes my character look a lot prettier *_* but I also liked Helgen Reborn. Most of my mods are ones that just add little changes to the game (like armour for horses) which don't do much but they make the game more fun for me to play
I'm sorry I just don't think what you're saying is true. You're saying that no "real" stormcloak would say those things, but stormcloaks have said such things, and just because you don't consider them true stormcloaks doesn't mean they're not.No, to put it simply, it isn't. You'll never hear a real stormcloak say that, especially not Ulfric. The ONLY person who does is Rolff stonefist. And Brunwulf can say what he wants, but he still continues the segregation. He mentions Nords, but the Argonians have beef with the dunmer too, as evidenced here:
They're fighting in the province right next to Windhelm still. Brunwulf says he can't do anyting. And even if it was just Nords, that isn't Ulfric's fault. Ulfric didn't make the Nord and Dunmer history what it was. Or make them xenophobic. And the Dunmer aren't so innocent either:
They did own the argonians as slaves not that long ago...
Too many people here are buying into propaganda rather than looking at things themselves.
:victory:...ahahaha, t-that's kinda true !
*makes a note to kill Ulfric the next time*
Awesome, thanks for telling me about it, I'll let you know how I get on with it...h-hope you like it. ~*
It's one of these little gems that come with a plot and decent voice acting.
Please be so kind and let me know if it's something for you or not.
Yeah i think the cosmetic mods are important because the vanilla skyrim npcs/characters look okay but the cosmetic mods make them much better. Although thankfully vanilla skyrim is still prettier than Oblivion .__. everyone looked like a potato.Oh, don't get me started ! I've got a whole ton of these cosmetic mods on my list.
Character improvements, atmospheric mods, environmental mods, weather mods, you name it.
Sometimes the size of my mod list scares me. xD
And Helgen Reborn was great. I loved rebuilding that town and meeting all these unique characters.
That's why I was recommending Falskaar: it's sort of like Helgen Reborn content-wise, but on a much bigger scale.