[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

[CTPhipps]

It was never established that tarot and esotericism is a thing in this world. It was even made to look like Misty is you “special friend on Facebook” who daily posts staff about cosmic energy and stuff like this.

Those cards has little to no meaning since there is nothing that proofs that they are right. It’s a pure fantasy, and on the other hand game goes lengths to say that you die no matter what you do.

as I said it DLC will fix this it’s due to retcon not because those cards had any meaning once the game launched.

Wrong because they literally predict the utterly impossible things for her to know about in the game's ending. Arasaka, Johnny and Rogue assaulting the area, you joining with the Nomads. These are things that Misty cannot under any circumstances actually know about. Furthermore, the Tarot card quest requires you to be magically affected by the Tarot cards you scan in the first place.

And of course it's pure fantasy! It's a video game!

Even if Misty is an idiot, the developers are talking to you through her and saying what happens.

 

[fridgeband]

Sorry you didn't enjoy the game. I recommend Deus Ex as an alternative.

Did you read what I said about deus ex and how I feel about cyberpunk endings in my other posts?

It was bad enough that I can't even start my game.
I can run other games at very high settings, but I can not run cyberpunk at the lowest possible settings.
Makes no sense.
That was bad enough.
But the worst part?

Knowing that absolutely nothing I do in the game even if I could play it, nothing at all matters.

According to everyone, the endings are so SO bad, so TERRIBLE, that It's almost like a hidden blessing in disguise that I can't get the game to work.

I was going to keep the game and hope that in several years in the future maybe I would try to run it again and see if I could even get the game to start, but then I heard about these endings.
The combined weight of being completely unable to play the game, and the endings being in my opinion just as bad as mass effect 3 or deus ex human revolution, is unbearable.

I can't accept that.

I submitted a support ticket asking for a refund.

I am so crushed by how horribly wrong this whole thing went. I was very optimistic to say the least, but cyberpunk2077 didn't land anywhere good. It didn't even land neutral for me. It didn't land in the negatives, It landed so low that it broke the sea floor and fell into the deepest abyss. This is the kind of thing that regardless of any expectations, no matter how high, how low, or how non-existent, from any angle, would still feel crushing and depressing. I actually saw footage of people encountering hilarious glitches and bugs. Those didn't bother me so much. I laughed. I could have ignored that. I would have gladly accepted that, and I would have even asked CDPR to leave those glitches and bugs in because they're just so hilarious and accidentally good. I would have been fine with that if they got patched like 10 years later. I wouldn't care so much.

But I can't even play the game.

And even if I could, I can't find a single ending that anyone talks about that would have made me happy.

It's bad enough that I can't play, but even If I had been able to, I fear that I would have experienced an even worse regret. I would have been utterly demoralized by the endings. I am actually in a very strange way grateful that I can't get my game to start. I can't imagine how it is possible in the process of making this still extremely incomplete and unfinished game that nobody at CDPR thought to consider that maybe there should be some good endings? I'm genuinely curious? Did anyone ever think about that? I feel like nobody did, but I can never know what they were thinking.

I am somewhat concerned that I might not receive the refund since nobody replied to my support ticket yet.
At one point I got "Awaiting your reply" but nobody had replied.....

It's been a few days.

Even if I hadn't got a reply, all they really need to do is push the button and give me my money back. Forget giving me a reply, at least just refund me right? I would gladly take a refund even if they didn't have the time to type the words "here's your refund" It would be enough that see the game gone, and my money is returned.

But you know, I'm not really complaining about support or anything. I can't emphasize that enough. I am not complaining about my support ticket, I'm just sharing my personal individual experience on this cyberpunk journey.

Mass-Deus-Duke-X-Fallout-Cyberpunk2076-Nukem-Human Revolution-2-3-Electric-Boogaloo is worse than Tor-tanic. It's worse than mass effect andromeda. This is by far the most mind-shatteringly turbo disheartening disappointing release of any video game I have ever experienced in my life. It's by far the best game company with the best trust and the best reputation that was supposed to be making the biggest and the best game in a long time that is the opposite of the other corporations in the industry that consistently make terrible games and treat their customers terribly, and yet somehow they still managed to release a game even worse than anything I could have ever imagined coming from the usual corporations.

CDPR you were the chosen ones! Why did you make the choices you did?

I'm just telling my story here I guess.
Even if I don't get my money back, This is what I experienced.
I really love CDPR, I just don't know where they went, or where I can find them anymore.


Barsenthor, your post summarized my feelings about the endings in such a powerful way that I had to go back and quote your post at the bottom of my other post.
You said it in a way that I don't know I could have.

Do you understand why people wanted refunds in the first place?

Just because you don't like what someone says, does not mean that it is negativity.

The endings are horrible, and that's my opinion as well. Why is that negativity, but your opinion is okay? Can't we just all be friends?

Could you please perhaps consider the possibility that I am dissatisfied with many different aspects of the entire game including the endings? As I said, the horrible endings are a cherry on top. The endings according to others are much like the endings of mass effect 3 or Deus Ex human revolution. It's like

Spoiler: HEAVY SPOILERS

Pick one of these 3-4 horrible endings that lack passion and inspiration and just fall flat in a depressing way.

It's just not good enough, and I guess a lot of people are here to say

And besides, how can you decide for me what I am thinking, decide for me what I'm really saying? How can you tell me my opinions are polluted? Are your opinions not polluted by the fact that you love the game and have a bias towards it?




While we're being fair right?

 

[CTPhipps]

You choose to believe Panam against Alt, Vik, Hellman... Panam saying out of love of affection that she will find a cure has much more weight than the dispassionate evaluations of the others NPCs.

Yes, Because that's what happens.

You choose to believe Mitsy when she read a tarot "you gonna have some good time in the badlands." This card reading, so generic, is the truth because "Misty's always right", said by a Jackie in love ?

Yes, because she can predict the endings. Which is utterly impossible.

Just face it, there is nothing CDPR put in the game to make us believe that V.'s gonna be all right.

You mean the people that actually determine what exists and does not exist in the game?

The choice is V. dies now, or V. dies in 6 month. Period.

Yes, Harry dies. I'm glad you know better than Joan Rowling.

 

[onosendai7]

Even if Misty is an idiot, the developers are talking to you through her and saying what happens.

But they are not talking to you when Alt speaks ? Or any NPC ?
Fleshing out a character is something CDPR used for Misty, that strange esoteric girl your best friend is in love with. That does not necessarily means that she speaks the ultimate truth. Again, you choose to believe her rather than anyone else cause that suits you.

 

[CTPhipps]

Did you read what I said about deus ex in my other posts?

Did you not like Deus Ex?

But they are not talking to you when Alt speaks ? Or any NPC ?
Fleshing out a character is something CDPR used for Misty, that strange esoteric girl your best friend is in love with. That does not necessarily means that she speaks the ultimate truth. Again, you choose to believe her rather than anyone else cause that suits you.

I don't believe in fortune telling in our world but if I lived in the Continent then telling Triss magic doesn't exist makes me an idiot.

Misty can see the future because she predicts the game endings and the Tarot graffiti has a supernatural affect on your mind. Like the fact that the Necronomicon is real in Fallout 3, it's WEIRD but it's true.

 

[fridgeband]

Well, guess what? if my character dies then I can't play, so the player might as well be dead. Before you say it, restarting the game does not count

Plain and simple FACTS.

I don't believe in teleportation but Ciri can do it in the Witcher 3.

Did you know that in Cyberpunk 2020 there are no servers or data farms? That's because the internet is an alternate dimension that cyberware and computers tap into.

Magic is real in CB2077.



You're arguing with the game's epilogue, which is weird because the game will end no matter what. You have successfully completed the game and there's nothing more to do except go back and complete the rest of the quests. All that's left is to say what happens to your V such as, "They go off to Arizona and find a cure at Big Empty like in Fallout New Vegas", "they decide to go on a massive raid on a super tech casino in space", or "become an immortal evil AI like Alt."

Its like complaining there's no more ending after beating Shao Khan in MK.

Don't you realize that it doesn't matter how you explain it away? The fact is that a LOT of people don't like the endings. Nothing you can ever say will ever convince people that don't like the endings to magically love them somehow. It doesn't matter how much magic is inside any game, or movie, or book. The magic ends when the person stops enjoying it, or rather, never begins the moment someone can't enjoy it in the first place. The problem here is that there are some who are willing to acknowledge that there are reasons why people are not enjoying the endings, and also people who don't want to accept that. That's why I really respect the user tRYSIS3 take on the whole thing because it's based in reality, short and straight to the point. It's just blatantly obvious and honest.

 

[Wenceslaus]

Well, guess what? if my character dies then I can't play, so the player might as well be dead. Before you say it, restarting the game does not count

Game ends. Some games, books or films has ending beyond which you do not play, read, watch...etc further.

Saying that if a game ends, players could be as well dead is... weird. As players are usually more than just players of one role but also humans.

 

[CTPhipps]

The funny thing is I don't think the game endings are very good.

I just don't think they're the same or all end in V dying.

I think "the hero dies" is the dumbest angle any video game can pursue.

 

[fridgeband]

It's not on me to pay for their shortcomings though, which is what many here are asking for

Yea, no matter how good new DLC endings may be, I wont be buying them. They should be free, but even then, the point is that people's first playthroughs with Cyberpunk2077 are (in my opinion) ruined. People who didn't enjoy the endings can never play the game for the first time ever again. Forget the fact that I can't even play, besides the point at this point anyway.

 

[Subenu]

Sorry, but this is a means of storytelling for the viewers to speculate about. If it's integrated in the game like that even jacky hinted at it at the end "Misty knew all along" (which might imply several things in that moment, of course)

I "believe" Panam, because she is probably the only one without any hidden agenda or motif behind your back.

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Yea, no matter how good new DLC endings may be, I wont be buying them. They should be free, but even then, the point is that people's first playthroughs with Cyberpunk2077 are (in my opinion) ruined. People who didn't enjoy the endings can never play the game for the first time ever again. Forget the fact that I can't even play, besides the point at this point anyway.

regarding DLC they said those will be free of charge. *shrug*
but don't worry. if your refund goes through, you won't have to be afraid of the DLC, since you won't get them either way

 

[Barsenthor]

Wrong because they literally predict the utterly impossible things for her to know about in the game's ending. Arasaka, Johnny and Rogue assaulting the area, you joining with the Nomads. These are things that Misty cannot under any circumstances actually know about. Furthermore, the Tarot card quest requires you to be magically affected by the Tarot cards you scan in the first place.

And of course it's pure fantasy! It's a video game!

Even if Misty is an idiot, the developers are talking to you through her and saying what happens.

So devs what to teach people to listen to the crazy people and not scientists, physicians and computers?

Tarot cards were there to just be an in game Easter egg. They were said that can be glitch of the biochip (very likely explanation) you were helping Jacki to look for them can be easily explained by subconsciousness.
They appear in the places where references is usually pretty obious the the pictures on those cards.
The ending is just there, for the one last cruel joke.

If this was the case that you get sunny ending or end up as a puppet of Saburo - the game would drop the 6mo part.
There was no reason why this part is even there.

You don’t repeat the plot, it’s one of things you learn on “storytelling 101”.
You can’t easily make MC to by running in circles in this fashion. It’s dump and immersion breaking.

 

[CTPhipps]

Sorry, but this is a means of storytelling for the viewers to speculate about. If it's integrated in the game like that even jacky hinted at it at the end "Misty knew all along" (which might imply several things in that moment, of course)

I "believe" Panam, because she is probably the only one without any hidden agenda or motif behind your back.

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regarding DLC they said those will be free of charge. *shrug*

I remember getting 2 dozen or so tiny DLC for the Witcher 3. I appreciated those but I suspect most DLC will be things like, "Customized Morgan Blackhand Gun"

 

[onosendai7]

Yes, Because that's what happens.

Nope, but you have the right to believe it.

Yes, because she can predict the endings. Which is utterly impossible.

She predicts nothing. Life is a journey, filled with dangers and encounters. And anyone has good time with friends and lovers. See ? I can predict the future too.

You mean the people that actually determine what exists and does not exist in the game?

I mean the guys who created a game they rushed, from which they cut content, and who left only the "die now or in 6 month choice", the guys who have obviously forgotten what storytelling has to do with role playing game, the guys who promised next gen game and delivered Tetris...

Yes, Harry dies. I'm glad you know better than Joan Rowling.

Dunno who is harry. I don't read Rowling. Not my stuff.

 

[fridgeband]

That entire argument that offends me as an author. If I say the main character dies at the end of a book and some random fan says, "No, your book says otherwise!" Then I indeed do have a statement that said fan is wrong because I know how I wrote it.

Presumably the authors of the game feel the same way.

This feels like the equivalent of people going up to J Rowling and going, "No, dammit! HARRY DIED AT THE END!"

It's really frustrating that you can't simply show me where it says beyond a shadow of any doubt that V lives, alive, as a living person, in their original human body, for more than 6 months, at their normal life span, in any ending in cyberpunk2077.
Cmon

 

[arcsirc]

Honestly I think people demand "happy ever after" have tacky taste. It is kitsch.

FIrst off, there's a different between a happy ending and a happily ever after.
a happy ending infers that at that one point in time, shit wasn't fucked. that's it, that's the whole deal.
a happily ever after infers that from that moment onward after overcoming their trials they lived a blessed existence.

secondly, I think that people who believe that only sad endings can have any intrinsic value have a very stunted perception of narrative, and dare I say? life.

 

[CTPhipps]

So devs what to teach people to listen to the crazy people and not scientists, physicians and computers?

They're there to give you information about the upcoming endings.

However, what they make clear is that some interpretations of the game are flat out wrong.

They explain authorial intent even if, yes, Tarot is nonsense.

That's just my take.

It's really frustrating that you can't simply show me where it says beyond a shadow of any doubt that V lives, alive, as a living person, in their original human body, for more than 6 months, at their normal life span, in any ending in cyberpunk2077.
Cmon

I just told you the game said so and the in-game fortuneteller explained the endings. WHAT DO YOU WANT?

 

[tRYSIS3]

Game ends. Some games, books or films has ending beyond which you do not play, read, watch...etc further.

Unlike movies and books, this game promises player choice that impact the outcome and it also goes beyond the "story" with side missions and gigs. If I finish the story I should be able to continue playing IF I WANT TO not be forced to go back and pretend like what I just did never happened

Saying that if a game ends, players could be as well dead is... weird. As players are usually more than just players of one role but also humans.

Might as well: "used to indicate that a situation is the same as if the hypothetical thing stated were true."

 

[fridgeband]

Vice-Versa it's also not guaranteed that you die 100%. So what is your reasoning?
At the moment it's more about speculation, opinions and what we believe.
Or what the game might tell us to look behind the curtains with its story telling elements?!

So you are arguing that it's guaranteed to be a cliff hanger?
Okay, so what If I say that cliffhangers are extremely dissatisfying and that I paid for a video game, not an uninspired tv series that ran out of ideas?

 

[arcsirc]

You don't say... obviously players play.
But surprise surpise—death of the V doesn't mean player die. It is not represetnation of the player. It is a fictional character.

Or how many pople YOU shot, fried, choked?

The game narrative tells you to find a cure, the meta narrative tells you to save yourself.
The game lies to V, CDPR lies to the player.

 

[fridgeband]

Sure, absolutely. The game says it happened and there's no evidence otherwise.

But let's say that there's some ambiguity. I think there's a lot to indicate that V does live and the game suggests they do live.

And there's not any to say otherwise.

So what is the argument for going against the intent of the author?

Where does the game say V lives?
Where?
Show me.

And how can you know what the intent of the author is if the author, to the best of my knowledge hasn't told you their intent or made it perfectly clear anywhere?

It's so easy for you to make a fool out of me. Why wont you? I just want honest answers.