[Spoiler Alert] About the endings

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But ALT isnt ALT Alt Cunningham is dead. AI ALT is a different being than Alt Cunningham.

Obviously that's bullshit since she comes back for her boyfriend out of love.

3. No gameplay allowed after endings tells me (again) that this game is rushed and the writers and managers did not think things through

This is actually very common. Again, see Fallout: New Vegas, one of the most popular open world video games of all time.
 
And if Johnny takes over your body then he lives decades. There's also the fact you can become an immortal AI in this universe.

There's already ways of your body or mind surviving. Just not both...yet.

If there was an option to go off with Alt then that would be ideal.

You don't become an immortal AI. You are an engram copy, that goes beyond the blackwall, where you might be attacked by other rogue AIs, or where AI Alt might just assimilate you if she/it feels like it. Alt only survived going beyond the Blackwall, because she had prepared for the possibility that Arasaka might use Soulkiller on her and had added a backdoor to it, as well as being the top netrunner of her time. V does not have that luxury.

And I really don't care about Terror-Johnny. He had his life and his engram copy has zero rights to my body. Among the things that pissed me off the most was, that he suddenly forgot about his feud with Arasaka and was all like:

"I'm responsible, non-angry Johnny now. I will leave NC and use the years to think about my past life, in this body that I stole from some poor schmuck".
 
I think a bigger problem here is that all 7 endings feel pretty hard to integrate with future DLCs (if any). Also:

1. Except when you get past the "point of no return", none of your choices really make a difference (is this a RPG or a scripted movie??? I thought I purchased a RPG. The whole game just doesn't play like a RPG)

2. As you said, all endings feel nihilistic and depressing, and needlessly so. It's almost as terrible as Mass Effect 3 initial unpatched conclusion where the player is left asking: "WHY did I spend so much time and effort just to have an ending like this??"

3. No gameplay allowed after endings tells me (again) that this game is rushed and the writers and managers did not think things through

In sum, the endings made me simply put the game down and never want to play it again. That's very different from how people felt about The Witcher 3, no??
Agreed - when they rewrote the game to be more johnny silverhand it became his story, we just play as V.
Also agreed that we are dead or dying in all endings and zero decisions make any difference beyond the choose your color on balcony

BUT - i think the no post game playing is due to the fact that the story was changed to johnnys closure and redemption and revenge story. Its why we are trapped in starting area until have johnny - as nearly all quests involve him/his opinions or his friends.
 
You don't become an immortal AI. You are an engram copy, that goes beyond the blackwall, where you might be attacked by other rogue AIs, or where AI Alt might just assimilate you if she/it feels like it. Alt only survived going beyond the Blackwall, because she had prepared for the possibility that Arasaka might use Soulkiller on her and had added a backdoor to it, as well as being the top netrunner of her time. V does not have that luxury.

And I really don't care about Terror-Johnny. He had his life and his engram copy has zero rights to my body. Among the things that pissed me off the most was, that he suddenly forgot about his feud with Arasaka and was all like:

"I'm responsible, non-angry Johnny now. I will leave NC and use the years to think about my past life, in this body that I stole from some poor schmuck".

The assumption the Blackwall is full of monsters is silly since the only person who says it is, is Netwatch and fuck those guys.

Besides, Alt is your buddy and I actually am quite on her side.

Humanity is awful.
 
Obviously that's bullshit since she comes back for her boyfriend out of love.



This is actually very common. Again, see Fallout: New Vegas, one of the most popular open world video games of all time.
I think a fair statement that alt cunningham is dead and I am not that ALt but based upon her is perfectly reasonable as an AI will change - especially after merging with others memories and thoughts.
 
BUT - i think the no post game playing is due to the fact that the story was changed to johnnys closure and redemption and revenge story. Its why we are trapped in starting area until have johnny - as nearly all quests involve him/his opinions or his friends.

I wonder what people think of that because that allows you to have a "taste" of Night City life without being involved in the major quest. I think that was a good decision as I really liked the feel of being a low level merc for a while. Everything after is a bit too big and huge.
 
The assumption the Blackwall is full of monsters is silly since the only person who says it is, is Netwatch and fuck those guys.

Besides, Alt is your buddy and I actually am quite on her side.

Humanity is awful.
ALT is not your "buddy" "the only reason i am here is for johhny"
encouraging you to give up and merge with it and give johhny "johnnys body"

after you have struggled for 80-100 hours fighting your body and mind being reaped by chip and nannites and engram to be told.. "its johnnys body"
 
ALT is not your "buddy" "the only reason i am here is for johhny"
encouraging you to give up and merge with it and give johhny "johnnys body"

after you have struggled for 80-100 hours fighting your body and mind being reaped by chip and nannites and engram to be told.. "its johnnys body"

To rule Creation as a God of the Net or be stuck in a decaying meatsack. Tough call.

Why yes, I did side with JC Denton in Deus Ex 2.
 
The assumption the Blackwall is full of monsters is silly since the only person who says it is, is Netwatch and fuck those guys.

Besides, Alt is your buddy and I actually am quite on her side.

Humanity is awful.
Also the lore says this, and the game says this. It goes like that “thinking like human behind Blackwall is a capital punishment”.

Endings were just retcon a little bit at the end to not be bitter in the first taste. But by the end it’s all the same.
What was left are only plot holes like
Tarot cards
Panam line
Some extremely far fetched connections between Nomads and Biotechnica
Living behind the Blackwall and inside Mikoshi.

Yet games doesn’t say a word about how Biotechnica can cure your condition. It’s only that they developed a prototype treatment for Multiple Sclerosis, disease that last time I checked is about inflammation in the brain not about DNA thing.
It also doesn’t say a single word about dealings with Biotechnica.
Like it never says a word why now we should care about esotericism.
 
Also the lore says this, and the game says this. It goes like that “thinking like human behind Blackwall is a capital punishment”.

Endings were just retcon a little bit at the end to not be bitter in the first taste. But by the end it’s all the same.
What was left are only plot holes like
Tarot cards
Panam line
Some extremely far fetched connections between Nomads and Biotechnica
Living behind the Blackwall and inside Mikoshi.

Yet games doesn’t say a word about how Biotechnica can cure your condition. It’s only that they developed a prototype treatment for Multiple Sclerosis, disease that last time I checked is about inflammation in the brain not about DNA thing.
It also doesn’t say a single word about dealings with Biotechnica.
Like it never says a word why now we should care about esotericism.
For whom the bells toll - and they tolled for V. This was the story of and for johnny.
 
We are completely wrong hammer - the tarot cards for one ending imply some happiness , in the others they imply endings or just glory..... so we should take blind faith that happiness = cure whereas all the other endings are bleak as all get out.

I just noticed that Misty reads you the exact same Tarot before and after The Heist. LoL.
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Obviously that's bullshit since she comes back for her boyfriend out of love.

She comes back not for Johnny and certainly not out of love, but to break through the Blackwall, go to Mikoshi, gobble up every Engram in there and become insanely powerful. The Johnny engram was needed to make her curious why he's still around and to lure her out and get her to talk, that's it.

She has her own motives and it's idiotic that V trusted AI Alt in the first place. In most missions (except Panam, Judy, maybe a few others), we get screwed over when we trusted someone, same here.
 
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First. Not all movies or stores end in rainbows.

Second, V will be remembered as a terrorist, who crashed the arasaka tower. Just like Johnny. Arasaka will make sure.

Third, V has the chance to get a drink named after him/her at the afterlife. That's about it


Losers are not remembered. Successful and living people, who make sure they are remembered the right way.

BTW... V loving because if the engram is true but failing in achieving the goals is still failure and the goal was survival.

In one ending, V sacrifices all ties to friends to become a legend and to go out with a bang. Johnny is in cyberhell and Rogue is dead. V is still dying.

In another ending, lot of aldecaldos die, V is considered a terrorist and has to leave NC. Johnny is in cyberhell. V is still dying.

Next ending is even worse. V sells out to arasaka to either become arasaka property or not even becoming a legend. Just a walking corpse with nightmares. Johnny is destroyed.

In other endings, V gives johnny the body, crapping on the sacrifice of a the other people, whonare there to save V and not johnny. You end up in cyberhell, while Johnny effectively becomes an outcast.

Add all those nice plot holes and contradictions and reused and cheap tropes and your grimdark (in itself a mockery of overly grim and dark themes) becomes one large clusterfuck.

Now tell me what purpose Vs death serves for the story?

If they are setting up an expansion, they are making it hard for themselves. There are a few rules in wroting like. Don't kill the protagonist, if you don't have a substitute who can't carry the weight of the story. A main characters death has to mean something and is only effective in combination with a gain for the story.

The plot-cancer does not serve anything.
Ok so here is my reply;

Im not gonna address every issue you raised.
What I will say is that CP2077 does the ending or endgame a lot different from on other titles with maybe the exes ion of FO4 where the endgame is kinda of this weird middle ground with the story and the open world sandbox, but I digress. There is no unlimited time to continue like in GTA where you go on living eternally. There is no “Second” character like with Marston, after the loss of Arthur. In the case of V, she has a software/hardware self destructing invention and she will inevitably die. It’s amazing how as soon as we wake up at Vic’s clinic, Victor himself tells us we have no choice and we gonna die within months. Very early in the game does this message begin to get drilled in to the player.

Now, can an expansion or DLC be a new alternate life path, or three? Maybe. The life paths can branch out of the final mission and the choices there in. CDPR can say something like go play the last mission again on your favorite build and be ready for all new story endings with V’s survival possibilities and story lines! All those new “choices” being the dlc content.

All I’m saying there is always room to expand the story. But I’m no expert, I just played the game.
I don’t know...:confused:
 
Also the lore says this, and the game says this. It goes like that “thinking like human behind Blackwall is a capital punishment”.

Endings were just retcon a little bit at the end to not be bitter in the first taste. But by the end it’s all the same.
What was left are only plot holes like
Tarot cards
Panam line
Some extremely far fetched connections between Nomads and Biotechnica
Living behind the Blackwall and inside Mikoshi.

Yet games doesn’t say a word about how Biotechnica can cure your condition. It’s only that they developed a prototype treatment for Multiple Sclerosis, disease that last time I checked is about inflammation in the brain not about DNA thing.
It also doesn’t say a single word about dealings with Biotechnica.
Like it never says a word why now we should care about esotericism.

However, the overall lore indicates that there actually are several technical possibilities to approach Vs problem.

In the game, a company is presented on the news who is able to cure severed spinal cords using nanobots.

The game lore backed that there are gene treatments and chance therapy is also a thing. Biotechnica is the only company who mastered cloning technology. Although cloning is illegal.
These options are however never considered in the game.

The question is, if it was just an oversight or on purpose.

So in theory, there are several ways to safe V either by engram transfer to a clone or by using therapies existing in the world's lore.
The fact that the source of the problem is only halfway explained by alt and arasaka does not help. This is a narrative oversight.

Is there a possibility to cure V's condition from the endings onward? Yes indeed.
Will it happen? Only, if the writers decide to dewit.
Is it likely? No fucking clue.

If the endings stand the way there is and will not be altered or expanded on, the devs should either add an additional ending that respects player agency or simply clarify V's conditions past the game using word of God and the credit Videos.
Would the last options be good? Oh hell no! Bit they would be good enough to at least increase replayability.

Ideally, this was just a tease and the next chapters are already in the making but until then, V is dead meat that just did not dro yet.
 
For whom the bells toll - and they tolled for V. This was the story of and for johnny.

Only that the hero in Hemingway's book actually did something remarkable and helped most of his friends to get away and survive. Unlike here:

Jackie - dead
T-Bug - dead
Evelyn - dead
Saul - dead
Rogue - dead
Judy&Panam - heart broken in the space casino ending
Misty - sad
Mama Welles - super sad
Vector - sad

....and so on.
 
The assumption the Blackwall is full of monsters is silly since the only person who says it is, is Netwatch and fuck those guys.

Besides, Alt is your buddy and I actually am quite on her side.

Humanity is awful.
Rache bartmos who destroyed the net would like to disagree with you.

Alt does not have buddies but she keeps her side of the deal. That's good enough but nothing to count on in the future.
 
For whom the bells toll - and they tolled for V. This was the story of and for johnny
I can hear Metallic already ;)
If only this would be the case, but the story is even here contradicting it self. Johnny doesn’t want V’s body, if he gets it he is, like, totally stoked about, like, the general vibe, and stuff.

I just noticed that Misty reads you the exact same Tarot before and after The Heist. LoL.
And that’s a case - they never established here as a oracle/mystical character. They even make her few times to look like a con artist.
The tarot cards was likely never a thing (besides hunting quest and in game achievement system) until late of the development when somebody look finally on the script and said “wow, this look like a mad dream of the edge lord” and so tarot was added to the endings.

Tarot is this game before endings made little sense and after the endings they just feel forced and completely out of context.
 
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Rache bartmos who destroyed the net would like to disagree with you.

Alt does not have buddies but she keeps her side of the deal. That's good enough but nothing to count on in the future.

Where does she keep her side of the deal, except for smashing Arasaka?

"I'm gonna save you"

"Haha - I made a miscalculation, despite being the scariest AI there is. I can't save you, you got 6 months, cause Fuck you. I also zapped you with Soulkiller, with zero warning, cause LoL".
 
Where does she keep her side of the deal, except for smashing Arasaka?

"I'm gonna save you"

"Haha - I made a miscalculation, despite being the scariest AI there is. I can't save you, you got 6 months, cause Fuck you. I also zapped you with Soulkiller, with zero warning, cause LoL".
She got johnny out of your head.
Alt is an AI now but an AI based on a human mind. She is certainly not perfect.

With keeping her side of the deal, I meant that she simple didn't delete you with demons so you can't tell the world about her existance.

V gets thrown under the bus nearly every mission. It's not really funny anymore.
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I might add that is is highly possible that she knows exactly how to cure V's condition later.

A life is a good bargain and the further you are down the road, the easier you can convince people to do your bidding for a cure.

Neuromancer is a perfect example. Just wait until the best console cowboy is fucked up enough and give him back the ability to surf the cyberspace again and he will do pretty shady shit for you.
 
She got johnny out of your head.
Alt is an AI now but an AI based on a human mind. She is certainly not perfect.

With keeping her side of the deal, I meant that she simple didn't delete you with demons so you can't tell the world about her existance.

V gets thrown under the bus nearly every mission. It's not really funny anymore.

The world knew about her existence the moment the chunks of that satellite burned up in the atmosphere in a giant fireball and when she attacked Arasaka tower and ate every engram in there as well as killing lotsa Saka netrunners and short circuiting every security drone.

She made the same empty promise to V that Hanako did, both don't keep their word and we can't do shit about it, except say "Oh well, that sucks".

Great RPG choices, A+++, would play again....
 
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