It all does not change the fact that 7 bleak endings area lousy motivation to play the game.
It's can be relevant to the narrative without being word of god. It's not exposition it's dialogue from an imperfect source of knowledge.This! I really don't understand how can people dismiss so easily what Alt said. One of the basic story telling principles is that you don't present the reader/consumer information that is not relevant to the narrative.
Except Alt is never proved to lie regards to that!
This argument would make sense if she told you that Soulkiller was actually fine instead of warning you about the consequences of using it...
It's can be relevant to the narrative without being word of god. It's not exposition it's dialogue from an imperfect source.
But at that point in the narrative we have no reason to believe that she doesn't have a idea about what she is talking about. Both Jhonny and V accepts it as fact. Not even later in the story anyone questions her view on it. Like.. the story itself never gave a reason to believe she has no idea. If anything I trust her word more because she is one of the core elements around the soulkiller.She also never returned to her own body and her transfer was incomplete, which means she doesn’t truly know what she’s talking about.
People, the word of an AI based on an mortal woman isn’t gospel.
Except Alt is never proved to lie regards to that!
Edit: Like the idea that she is lying about it is pure headcanon because we have no proof that she is lying.
my man, everything about this fuckin game is speculation for me at this point.I am really sorry, I mean no disprespect but your reasoning are pure speculations.
That is fine and I am not about to tell you not to have your headcanons. But I'm sorry I just can't change my view on soulkiller based on pure speculations. For me in order to have a reason to question alt, a character ingame, in the game universe would have to question it first.my man, everything about this fuckin game is speculation for me at this point.
I would actually be a lot more cautious if she would have told me that it's not a problems at all.This argument would make sense if she told you that Soulkiller was actually fine instead of warning you about the consequences of using it...
That is fine and I am not about to tell you not to have your headcanons. But I'm sorry I just can't change my view on soulkiller based on pure speculations. For me in order to have a reason to question alt, a character ingame, in the game universe would have to question it first.
Well as the Dalemain questline shows us, AIs are pretty fucking powerful and can easily take place among humans. Isn't there like an active "war" going on behind the scenes to keep the AIs at bay? And once Delamain reached a higher consciousness, he simply lost interest in the primitive state of human experience.An AI is only as smart as the creator allows it to be. An AI develops by looking at data and calculating. AIs can get things wrong and that's also part of the 'Cyberpunk trope' is that they always go the route where they don't fully understand humanity. They end up calculating 'humanity' incorrectly.
Alt is basing her data off of jackpoop. This particular scenario has 'never' happened before. No one has gone through what V has. DNA and psyche rejection, what? What is she basing this data off of, 2020 information? Considering that she was beyond the Blackwall, where data can't go through - barring the Voodoo boys.
If AIs are always right then we should be concerned why AIs are literally buying up all the shares in space travel right now.
But at that point in the narrative we have no reason to believe that she doesn't have a idea about what she is talking about. Both Jhonny and V accepts it as fact. Not even later in the story anyone questions her view on it. Like.. the story itself never gave a reason to believe she has no idea. If anything I trust her word more because she is one of the core elements around the soulkiller.
I am really sorry, I mean no disprespect but your reasoning are pure speculations.
Except she talks about the difference after you get soulkilled. About the process of writing the engram. She never addressed the priocess of returning to your body. What she says is that everything changes once you leave your body.It isn't just headcanon. Alt has never, ever, been in a body after being SK'd. This isn't speculation, this is a fact. It is an objective truth her knowledge when it pertains to V's situation is limited.
I don't. As I stated in many post before I went with Arasaka because I didn't trsut Alt from the getgo. For the very reasons because she so casually mentions that everything changes once I go with her way. And I had no reason to believe that she would be lying about the change part.How about how she kills every voodoo boys netrunner connected with you? Or how she’s clearly designed to look inhuman? The whole game you look for different solutions before settling on Arasaka or Alt, those 2 options were both desperate plays from V so I never trusted either. But maybe you get along easier with murderous AI
Except she talks about the difference after you get soulkilled. About the process of writing the engram. She never addressed the priocess of returning to your body. What she says is that everything changes once you leave your body.
I'd be fine with this if there was a single voice in the game that ever suggested that going back immediately was somehow something special in regards to Soulkiller. Transhumanism themes about "turning body metal bad" just aren't enough for that leap.It isn't just headcanon. Alt has never, ever, been in a body after being SK'd. This isn't speculation, this is a fact. It is an objective truth her knowledge when it pertains to V's situation is limited.
Yeah and I actually agree with that. In the original PnP lore it's called the soulkiller because inside the net, the soul slowly dies because of lack of stimulation. And I would be perfectly fine if that is what she is refering to. And tbh seeing the engram endings, it porbably is the case.I mean, I agree? She is speaking of what she knows and what she knows is what it is like to be a digitized psyche with no humanity for 50 years. Remember, at first V engram didn't even realize they were separated from Johnny, or an engram.
Alt after their soukilling contacted Johnny, the real Johnny shortly after. That same Alt is the one we talk to now 50 years later. She has lost most of her humanity.
V gained theirs back in milliseconds. And of course as earlier stated, V has definitely changed, that is another major theme of the game. Misty brings it up, the doll at Clouds brings it up.
Same, but to my defence, I only kill scavs, maelstrom and corpos! That makes me a good guy, right?
Exactly, there's an active war happening right now between AI and humanity. It's behind the scenes but it's there. Alt isn't the most powerful AI - there's plenty more beyond the Blackwall.Well as the Dalemain questline shows us, AIs are pretty fucking powerful and can easily take place among humans. Isn't there like an active "war" going on behind the scenes to keep the AIs at bay? And once Delamain reached a higher consciousness, he simply lost interest in the primitive state of human experience.
Also Alt was a human, and as some said she still has some of her humanity retained. If anything I trust that she still remembers the change that happened when she was ripped out of her body.