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OuterSpaceDoggo

OuterSpaceDoggo

Forum regular
#421
Dec 16, 2020
Or maybe streamers were just showed the same clips as us and then, when the game was nearly its release, forced to shut up because * embargo and shit *, and now that they played the game they have finally seen how this mess of a game is?
No?
It's okay, it's easier to defend a company rather than admitting than maybe, but just maybe, this time they fucked up and it's not US, streamers and gamers, to blame this time.
This fucking game was made under crunch and no one fucking thinks that they are gonna submit their employees to crunches again. And let's just don't dwell on the shady attitude of the entire company and the irony of them blasting other companies on social medias while giving us the same shit or worse.
 
NevaEilhart

NevaEilhart

Senior user
#422
Dec 16, 2020
Bloodartist said:
"Less than the sum of its parts" is a perfect way to summarize CP2077 currently.
Some of these parts are amazing in their own right, but they don't synch together well, and there are big gaps between.
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I think you pretty much nailed it. Though I will add that the game has maybe the most potential I've ever seen in a game. Problem is, it's hidden underneath a layer of bugs (for some, I don't have bugs on my PC but I'm willing to say I'm lucky), of bad implementations (UI or such, but they'll fix that given what they've done on their previous games) and cut content (this one will really be a game changer for me : if they add some more interactivity and more playable content / personal story elements, the game might become one of the best I've ever played).

I guess time will tell. At least as an avid 3rd person game player, I can say I've been wrong for having doubts about the implementation of the 1st person view. This is something the game does very well and thank CDPR for choosing this POV over 3rd person.
 
Sunsibar

Sunsibar

Ex-moderator
#423
Dec 16, 2020
Haven't finished the game yet, so can't say much at this point (around 18 hours in), but so far I have enjoyed the game a lot and first impression is very positive =)

Game looks amazing and I spend lot of time just watching the buildings, landscapes and people passing by and talking to each other. Trying to walk everywhere, so that I don't miss too much stuff. Naturally at this point I also love the photo mode and trying to get most awesome screenshots all the time. I have also found myself enjoying tv commercials and posters on the walls. Wherever you look, there might be something funny or cool in it. Yesterday I was just casually walking around the city and then I heard a random scream out of nowhere. Backtracked a bit behind the corner where I just had been a moment ago, and now there was a dead guy on the street, who had jumped or fallen from the roof. Just absolutely loving these tiny details.

For some reason one of my top most favorite things in the game is being able to switch radio channels :D Some great music in there!

So far also the story seems to be interesting and having those cool wtf moments and characters. Nothing Witcher scale amazing yet, but like I said, I'm just at the beginning with it, so can't say much 'till I have seen it all. Can't wait to finish the game at least once and see all that upcoming content! Then I'm much smarter story and character wise.

I'm still kinda missing the option to test weapons in the shooting range, right next to that weapon shop near V's apartment. For some reason the place seems to be there just for that cause :D It's also a bit bummer for not being able to interact with all (or at least some more of) those stalls all over the streets.

At some point I was hoping for an option to adjust gloom effects (specially in photo mode), but it hasn't been bothering me that much anymore lately.

So yeh, not any major complaints at this point. Hardly even complaints, since the game just came out and surely has few rough edges that will get fixed. Few fps drops here and there (not in critical places) and few harmless graphical glitches, but otherwise game seems to be running nicely in my pc.
 
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DrunkOnRedWine

DrunkOnRedWine

Fresh user
#424
Dec 16, 2020
Keanu - why so annoying? :p
 
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Third_time_charm

Third_time_charm

Rookie
#425
Dec 16, 2020
A disappointment, Cyberpunk related here, I littarly created this account to voice an opinion.

I have been beyond excited for this game, it's was supposed to be exactly the the type a game I love to play, and I had been enjoying it, and it was until a point. I'd like to vent that here because it feels like it's the proper place for it. May contain spoilers, and I'm not sure if there's a proper thread for this.

And it's not about the bugs or expectations being too high, it's about what the Devs advertised and how the game falls flat in the places that are actually important.

Rant left unposted at the moment due to potential spoliers.
 
Draconifors

Draconifors

Moderator
#426
Dec 16, 2020
Third_time_charm said:
Rant left unposted at the moment due to potential spoliers.
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Use spoiler tags:
Spoiler here.
and it will be fine.

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OMLeteut

OMLeteut

Fresh user
#427
Dec 16, 2020
I played W3 half a year ago, GOTY edition took 50 hours for me to complete in a way I was satisfied with (found best weapons, opponents, quest, etc.), Cyberpunk took me 48 hours to check everything I was interested with. Of course now its a little different situation, more free time, more boredom, so I might play more but understanding game ended for me, now it will be only running around looking at things. So its a big game, great story, great idea, some problems atm but I'm used to bugs in games.

I think that this game has great potential for players to customize it. There's lots of space for many more ideas, quests, places, but I trust CDPR to further improve this game.

So I'm excited for the future of this game.
 
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SalvaLeone

Fresh user
#428
Dec 16, 2020
gregski said:

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I am a bit sad, they are forum moderators and not the game developers, but their nickname is the one that appears among the first complaints from the client and the company until they come to the fore, what can they do in this situation? probably they have received the pc version too, you can only keep the silence to see how a good ship makes water.
PS: all this negative publicity outside the forums is not normal, other companies do it worse and you do not get so much clicbait, what is happening here?
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Sunsibar said:
Haven't finished the game yet, so can't say much at this point (around 18 hours in), but so far I have enjoyed the game a lot and first impression is very positive =)

Game looks amazing and I spend lot of time just watching the buildings, landscapes and people passing by and talking to each other. Trying to walk everywhere, so that I don't miss too much stuff. Naturally at this point I also love the photo mode and trying to get most awesome screenshots all the time. I have also found myself enjoying tv commercials and posters on the walls. Wherever you look, there might be something funny or cool in it. Yesterday I was just casually walking around the city and then I heard a random scream out of nowhere. Backtracked a bit behind the corner where I just had been a moment ago, and now there was a dead guy on the street, who had jumped or fallen from the roof. Just absolutely loving these tiny details.

For some reason one of my top most favorite things in the game is being able to switch radio channels :D Some great music in there!

So far also the story seems to be interesting and having those cool wtf moments and characters. Nothing Witcher scale amazing yet, but like I said, I'm just at the beginning with it, so can't say much 'till I have seen it all. Can't wait to finish the game at least once and see all that upcoming content! Then I'm much smarter story and character wise.

I'm still kinda missing the option to test weapons in the shooting range, right next to that weapon shop near V's apartment. For some reason the place seems to be there just for that cause :D It's also a bit bummer for not being able to interact with all (or at least some more of) those stalls all over the streets.

At some point I was hoping for an option to adjust gloom effects (specially in photo mode), but it hasn't been bothering me that much anymore lately.

So yeh, not any major complaints at this point. Hardly even complaints, since the game just came out and surely has few rough edges that will get fixed. Few fps drops here and there (not in critical places) and few harmless graphical glitches, but otherwise game seems to be running nicely in my pc.
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Mods mods mods! are there tools already?
EDIT:

The game is luxurious on PC, at least in most of the cases where the processor and graphics are high-mid-range, both I with a 1080 ti and now with the 3080 the only change is the RTX, at a technical level you are the same + - I said some graphical but inoffensive failure for the most part, the problem has been to see this game on another platform that is not PC, this is what happens when the company loses references, in my case I can not be more happy, we have a engine infinitely more powerful than those offered by betsheda in her early days, with possibilities that make you silly just thinking about them and the best, a community involved as with skyrim or new vegas wishing to have official modding tools, even creating mods already WITHOUT those tools .
 
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Aetrion

Aetrion

Fresh user
#429
Dec 16, 2020
I don't like that you need technical skill to upgrade iconic items. These are supposed to be special rewards you get for completing various milestones of your journey, but if you make any kind of build that doesn't have technical skill (Which is already extremely punishing) you don't get to enjoy them at their best.

It's honestly silly that you can't hire someone to craft for you in the game. Technical ability simply being the "Have good items & infinite money" skill isn't really a great design.
 
dBLOOD

dBLOOD

Forum regular
#430
Dec 16, 2020
It's a bloody mess, but it's wonderful in terms of writing. So much so that I just ordered the Collector's Edition, although only Cthulhu knows when will I actually get it, game.co.uk is not famous of being very reliable with their delivery dates.
 
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jt4gov

Forum regular
#431
Dec 16, 2020
I've cleared most of the side missions in the game now and I'm wondering what I'm missing. There were supposedly some amazing side missions that people saw that outshined the main story or gave this game a ton of gameplay and life. Pretty much every mission I've done has been over within a few minutes, were incredibly shallow and boring and offered nothing that other games didn't do better.

Aside from the romance option side quests and one regarding a companion, there was nothing that stood out so far.

The boss fights are a complete joke, same with the Cyberpsychos. The gameplay is repetitive and offered nothing that Deus Ex didn't offer just as well years ago. The world itself is pretty, but as shallow as Fallout 4, maybe even more so. The more I play the more disappointed I am. The more I see how dishonest CDPR was the more upset I am with this release.

I never trusted CDPR, because they're a business first and foremost, but how a company can decide to actively destroy any goodwill and reputation like they have with this launch is beyond me. I would think short term gains would be vastly overshadowed by long term gains had they delivered on this release.
 
ChuwieShowTv

ChuwieShowTv

Forum regular
#432
Dec 16, 2020
The game is vastly unfinished. For example:
- Cops spawn right on top of you when committing a crime and they disappear after like 10 seconds lol They just stop chasing you.
- In races if you get ahead the rubber banding is so bad that it will just spawn cars in front of you so you are no longer winning.
- The economy is the game is completely broke. A gun bought for 20k eddies only sells for like 100 eddies.
- There is also a bug when you drive in third person your car will leave white dots behind it if you drive towards the sun.
- Driver AI is broken, put something in front of them and they don't know what to do.
-Enemy AI is also broken, i ran over a member of a gang and the others just ignored it lol

AND THE BIGGEST! The game doesn't save my settings on PS5. So each time I quit the game I have to set my video, interface and other settings over again.
 
HanChollo

HanChollo

Fresh user
#433
Dec 16, 2020
nikolaskelset said:
That's what happens when you spend 8 years tailoring graphics and actors instead of making a game with playable mechanics that matter and , in the end, actually give the player freedom of choice. In CP77 (can't speak for the witcher because i didn't like that one either gameplay wise as an rpg and I ditched it after 45 hours) you are played by the game, you're not playing the game and you have that constant feeling of the director watching over you waiting for you to chose the next line. You actions don't matter, the city doesn't respond to your presence in any meaningful way, there's no immersion, there's 4 freacking mechanics period splatted all over the game and every mission, no need to plan anything since you just go there following the esclamation marks and do shit, oh and all this in Very Hard , that just makes enemies thougher. Enemies that spawn triggered when you pick up a abody and when they start fighting they get trashed by their own Gang memeber just because the game doesn't recognize them as members of that gang (because they spawned you know) etc etc etc. How this game got so much higher scores is beyond me. It's an 8 and being generous just because fropmm a movie perspective is almost perfect. From a videogame perspective it's around 6. I guess if I wanna play an rpg I have to go back to Obsidian's Pillars of Eternity or any other game from Bethesda or Larian's. Again, next time LESS GENITALS AND MORE GAMEPLAY.
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I LOVE THIS GAME!!!
 

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animalfather

animalfather

Forum veteran
#434
Dec 16, 2020
Ever since I was a little kid watching my older cousin play the Pen and Paper with his friends I dreamt of a Cyberpunk game and
let me start by saying that this game is not what I thought it would be.

My main issue with the game has to be the STORY.

The first red flag for me was when you meet Jackie, everything up to that point is absolutely amazing the graphics, the fat man sitting next to you, the car ride with that priest godfather it really was breathtaking, you meet Jackie and everything is great and boom, you get a montage of all the great stuff you and Jackie did instead of you actually playing it, which is a weird decision but I'll get into that a bit later. I assume the great things you and Jackie did in the first 6months will be the DLC.
It's just an odd decision cause honestly we all wanted that 6months. Even after the montage the game is still great the missions are awesome you are getting to know the city and its absolutely gorgeous.

The game takes a nosedive after Johnny is introduced. Now I understand that every story needs an overarching story but this is not all that interesting if I'm honest. You're dying and you need to get the construct out of your head...really? With the rich lore and world of Cyberpunk you can easily tell a better story than this. Why couldn't V trying to become rich and famous be enough of an overarching story? From this point on it becomes the Johnny show, you might be the protagonist but he is the main character. In my opinion in every cyberpunk/blade runner story, the city should be the main character always.

As you progress through the game the story becomes worse and worse and by the end of it and you know its the end I just wanted to be done with it. The main story is incredible short if you don't do any of the sidequests, you could probably finish it in 12hours.

It's not the story that I wanted. And I don't think its the story that CDPR wanted either. 1.5years ago they showed us this:
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this is not a story where Johnny takes over the whole game, this is a story where YOU are the protagonist and in charge. This is not a story of you dying and the whole story is about you saving your life. This is a story of you being in charge of YOU and taking night city by the horn!


My second issue with the game has to be the Missions and Gameplay
Lets start with the mission that introduces Militech, Meredith Stout and the Maelstrom. It's the mission we all saw in the 48min gameplay reveal, amazing mission, right? In my playthrough I sided with the Maelstrom cause Meredith game me an encrypted shard which i decrypted cause if the game gives me an option to do something i will do it. At the end of the mission I get the flatbed I'm buddies with Maelstrom instead of Meredith which I'm fine with, the Maelstrom are far cooler anyways so now I'm going to do missions for them right? NOPE, you never see or hear from the Maelstrom ever again until the very end when you do a sidequest with Rogue and they are guarding a container shipment, you have no interaction with them other than choking them out. Same thing with the Vodoo boys amazing intro and yep you never see or hear from them ever again.
It was definitely alluded that you could side with different factions and that would impact you and night city but that didn't come to fruition, imo the two best missions of the game were both in the 48min trailer.

Gameplay-wise its a mess. Lets start by upgrades and leveling up...they don't matter I think I had 10 extra points which i saved for passing speech options and had about 20 perk points by the end of it. The reason is that sneaking is too easy and the game or the roleplaying aspect of it encourages you to sneak it feels canon to do so its the same problem Deus Ex Mankind Divided had where sneaking was so OP that non of the great upgrades you bought you actually got to use, this game doesn't even have great upgrades. The best part of the game was when you were forced to do combat and even then the gun you used was far superior to any upgrade you could get.
You can upgrade everything guns, your body, perks, skill points but non of that mattered cause the game has very little combat and when it does you just sneak.

The hacking minigame is just atrocious I would rather netrunning was eliminated completely, and the only thing you use it for is to either distract and shut off cameras which is not all that interesting honestly and rarely used. A good option would have been to have a netrunner on your side and you tell them to shut down cameras and such. Just like in the mission to save the girl in the bath tub from the 48min trailer.

The boss battles were fine, they were bulletsponges and they didn't really have any tactic or specific thing you needed to learn, the game gave you plenty of cover and they were easy to take down 3 in total they were fine not great but they did the job.

Sidequests
The game bombards you with sidemissions and it becomes all very overwhelming. The sidequests are a mixed bag really, my personal opinion is that the sidequests should work as an enforcement of the mainstory and should pertain to it cause if not it really just throws the pacing off. I'm dying and Johnny is in my head so why am I driving this ripperdoc across the map? Why am I looking for rogue AI cars? Unlike witcher 3 where sidequests were given to you when you visited a specific area and its story pertained to that area here its just thrown at you from phonecalls. Every sidequest should have been about the task at hand.
And another issue I have with the sidequests is that a lot of them are several levels above my own, they should have been evenly distributed as you progress.
Also a lot of the sidequests were kinda lame and felt forced, the jesus christ mission for instance, some of them are not that good plain and simple.

Bugs
Yes the bugs are there, yes they detract from the experience, but to me I don't judge CDPR based on them, cause that is not their intent obviously and they can be fixed. Some missions had a sound bug where you couldn't hear the NPC speaking it was annoying sure. Other times you got stuck in the environment but a reload fixed that problem, I'm not that harsh on bugs I know some people are but to me they can easily be fixed. I didn't experience anything gamebreaking so I'm ok with it.


DLC and the Future
Like I said before I have a hunch that one of the DLC will be the 6months we missed with Jackie. I honestly think this should have been in the game from start. It all feels very much like FF15 where they tried "fixing" the story with DLC and its just nope too late. You can't retroactively fix story, you can fix bugs sure but not story, we all experienced it and that ship has sailed. I honestly think CDPR should not make any DLC for this game and skip the MP as well. They should make their Ciri game come back and focus on Cyberpunk 2. They have the technology they can build it, for me its not a lack of vision that is at fault here its the execution of that vision. They should skip last gen systems and now its just smooth sailing as I said the tech is there and the vision is there too CDPR proved it with their initial trailer
everything for a great Cyberpunk game is all there!
 
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gregski

gregski

Moderator
#435
Dec 16, 2020
@animalfather nice write-up! Merged with Impressions thread.
 
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animalfather

animalfather

Forum veteran
#436
Dec 16, 2020
gregski said:
@animalfather nice write-up! Merged with Impressions thread.
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Thanks, but I would have preferred my own thread. Did you actually read everything, do you agree with it?
 
gregski

gregski

Moderator
#437
Dec 16, 2020
animalfather said:
Thanks, but I would have preferred my own thread. Did you actually read everything, do you agree with it?
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Can't say I agree or disagree with everything as I haven't finished the game. It definitely has a lot of problems right now, but from what I saw I can agree with the last sentence:

the tech is there and the vision is there too CDPR proved it with their initial trailer everything for a great Cyberpunk game is all there!
 
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HanChollo

HanChollo

Fresh user
#438
Dec 16, 2020
StanislavOZZO said:
So... finally, here it is! What do you think about Cyberpunk?

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Quote of the day:
My impression is that the launcher is nice. Can't say more because the "play" button don't launch anything.

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As for myself, I have decided to let this game age in the cellar for 1-2 years to become a true masterpiece. If you played The Witcher Wild Hunt long enough, you know the difference between version 1.01 and 1.32. If you didn't, trust me - it was very noticeable. I enjoyed the game so much more when the bugs and rough edges were refined, so I am going to do this with Cyberpunk.
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Everyone needs to take the same approach, we have a long ride ahead just enjoy it.
 

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djdawk94

djdawk94

Forum regular
#439
Dec 16, 2020
Game has a great foundation. City is beautiful depending on what platform you play on. The soundtrack is amazing, the story is slightly annoying, but a good foundation.

The TL:DR issues.
-Gunplay seems wonky, aiming is wonky, hitboxes are wonky, the sound and realism of the guns are wonky.
-Melee system is wonky, and offers no feedback. Dynasty warrior games have more satisfying melee.
-cyberware aspect is uninspired, very boring.
-inventory UI is absolutely terrible
-bugs and glitches
-End game takes place on a damn checkpoint, instead of letting you continue to mess around post ending as a corpo agent, afterlife queen, or whatever with randomly generated quests until DLC comes out. I mean, Johnny letting V back into her body ending is literally the most annoying ending I've played in a game in nearly a decade.
-Cars look nice, however, handling is wonky, the exhaust notes are cheap (especially on the bikes)
-AI is lazy, and not nearly as impressive as hyped up to be. Police spawn out of nowhere, same character models walking next to each other, AI has 2 lines. The game was promoted to having some of the best AI known in the industry.
-The "night life" of night city seems lazy and uncomplete. Throwing a bunch of LED 18+ signs everywhere isn't immersive, especially when you can't even enter 90% of the buildings.
-You can't ever experience what NC has to offer, as you can gain all the money in the world, with nothing to spend it on. Can't even buy an AV, a new house, prostitutes', or whatever you horn balls desire
-Has the most disappointing clothing system and options I've played in a long time in a game that offers them. You can't even preview crap before you buy it.
-Story is a heavy "ok" but has tons of holes, and at times seems all over the place or just missing content.
-I love Reeves, but DLC needs to be more V centered.
-I find Jackie to be extremely cringy of a character, and I was happy when he died. I was waiting on the option to kill him myself just so he'd shut the hell up.
- At this point, I rather them have delayed the game to middle of next year. Just to polish it up, fix the embarrassing endgame, and release it then.
-I don't regret dropping the 60 bucks, the game is not THAT bad. But it's "why did I think this would be a industry breaking game" bad.


At least it's not Anthem.
 
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jt4gov

Forum regular
#440
Dec 16, 2020
animalfather said:
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I pretty much agree with all of this here. My biggest complaints aside from how buggy the game is and the misleading advertisements/cut content is the story and world.

The side quests simply are not as described. They're mostly all short, uninspired and give little in terms of story or gameplay. They were bragged about as being these amazing side stories that tie into the narrative and ultimately make up for a shorter game with replayability and choices and consequences, yet there was none of that.

The world suffers from similar issues. It's pretty, but it's one of the most shallow worlds I've seen in a game. There's nothing in it. The AI is beyond terrible and there is no interaction with either the world or its inhabitants. That's one of the biggest sins in an RPG and in world building.

Then the main story is incredibly short, which is not as advertised. I don't care who you are, less than 20 hours IS NOT "slightly shorter" than 51 hours. The entire main story, with side quests and some extras takes on average 10 hours less than JUST the main quest of Witcher 3.

You hit the nail on the head with gameplay too. Though I'd also like to add how absolutely broken quickhacking and tech weapons are in addition to sneaking. They simply break the AI. The gameplay is an absolute mess.

The image you showed of early gameplay designs further highlight the issues with the game. They had EIGHT years and TRIPLE Red Dead Redemption 2's budget with an enormous number of workers and yet they they couldn't capitalize on any of these designs. The character is incredibly shallow and linear. I have to seriously wonder how many times content was scrapped and things restarted. I have to wonder how poor management and direction was, because this game is cannot even be five years of development from Witcher 3.

I also agree in regards to the future of the title. I hate to say it, but they should make it playable, fix bugs and then move on to the next project. By the time they're able to patch everything, bring all of the content that was promised and then gutted, make the game what was originally shown or even bring new content in the form of expansions, they would have been better off making a Cyberpunk sequel the game that this SHOULD have been with actual choices, consequences, living world, narrative and side missions, romances and NPC stories and interaction, etc.

You can't build something amazing on a sinking foundation. Poor decisions, wasted time (?) and the current code base would mean having to create an entirely new game, which you're better doing with improved technology, a fresh start and better working conditions.

If there was as much time in development as projected, then there is absolutely no reason any crunch should have happened. That's on management and higher ups that the developers suffered for and will ultimately be blamed. The thing is that people tend to bring higher quality products and work when not under insane pressure or when overworked. This game does not deserve the Metacritic score it received, and CDPR should learn from their mistakes and deliver a high quality product in the future. I don't care about Cyberpunk 2077 anymore, it was a failure, I care about Witcher 4 and Cyberpunk's sequel (even more so).
 
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