Dandelion Poet is broken

[TheZirrKing]

Dandelion Poet is broken

As you all may know by now, Dandelion Poet is a 6 strength Gold that Draws a Card then plays a card. Basically he serves the same purpose as Roach in that he basically adds points to a Card or line of play.

Because cards in Gwent are balanced around strength, Dandelion Poet already poses some issues.

Right off the bat in Nilfgaard he can make Cantarella a +2 Strength play by going Jan Calveit > Dandelion Poet > Rainfarn > Cantarella. or even a +7 strength play if he is pulled with Stefan Skellen.

He would also make Rag Nar Roog and Drought extremely OP by eliminating the only downside to Gold Weather.

Cards like Prize winning cow, spies, ect that suffered from low strength or negative strength issues will now become extremely powerful, Imagine Dandelion Poet into Dijkstra.

 

[Tir_na_Lia]

As long as you do not have control upon what he's drawing, it could potentially brick you.

Suppose that you draw something that one of your tutors could have thinned (in NR, you cannot use Doet unless you used all the BSC and Dun Banner), it would be counter-productive.

And it's a Gold card, compare it to Sile, more or less the same, and Sile was never OP.

Doet looks like a pretty nice card for R3 to draw a finisher, but a very dangerous card to use in R1-R2.
(basically the opposite of G:Igni)

 

[TheZirrKing]

As long as you do not have control upon what he's drawing, it could potentially brick you.

Suppose that you draw something that one of your tutors could have thinned (in NR, you cannot use Doet unless you used all the BSC and Dun Banner), it would be counter-productive.

And it's a Gold card, compare it to Sile, more or less the same, and Sile was never OP.

Doet looks like a pretty nice card for R3 to draw a finisher, but a very dangerous card to use in R1-R2.
(basically the opposite of G:Igni)

I think the trade off is more than worth it, Gold Weather with 6 points attached to it is OP AF, you'll see pretty soon, as long as you don't run a tutor heavy deck, bricking isn't a problem at all.

 

[4RM3D]

With cards like Natalis, you can tutor for a card you want that can synergize with your deck. Royal Decree works kinda the same way, instead you trade a gold slot in order to get a higher certainty on the other three. However, while Dandelion also thins, it only provides extra tempo. In arena mode, the card may very well be an auto-include. In ranked, can you fit the card in your deck? With very specific decks, maybe. The others usually benefit more from cards like Natalis.

 

[Khreygond]

He would also make Rag Nar Roog and Drought extremely OP by eliminating the only downside to Gold Weather.

Cards like Prize winning cow, spies, ect that suffered from low strength or negative strength issues will now become extremely powerful, Imagine Dandelion Poet into Dijkstra.

Yeah. And you'd be 2 golds down right off the bat. I think Dandelion: Poet is like an upgraded Sile more than Roach like Tir_na_lia said

I don't think it's that bad but it definitely looks like a good card. We'll see when it arrives I guess. Probably the best of the bunch, followed by Cerys and then Morenn.

 

[Void_Singer]

It's just Vilgefortz minus the destruction, but without the need for setup to be more consistent

 

[Nidmorr]

Hardly seems like it. Granted, we don't know exactly how he will work but so far seems like he won't see much play outside arena where everything is gonna be about raw value.

 

[OG.laloquaint]

So a new card is broken because it's good? Nah, man. It takes up a gold slot, it's supposed to be good.

 

[partci]

You haven't even seen the card in play - how the hell did you decided it's broken?

Jesus...


Anyway, wondering if it will pull Roach as old Vilgie does, for all of you haters out there to stop whining about every single thing... BEFORE SEEING IT.

 

[Bondonkadonk]

Like others have said, it's basically just a Gold Sile. It allows for low tempo plays to have a bit of extra points behind them, but he's a gold and really, for normal decks is he truly worth sacrificing a gold slot just for that? If you play him with gold weather, that's two golds played in a single turn just for the sake of adding a bit of tempo to one gold. I'm trying to think of any deck I have where I'd rather have him than the golds I already use, and I can't think of one. I think he'll be damn good for arena, and might help a few slower tempo decks, but I can't see him being "OP".

Maybe lets give the card a chance to actually get released and be played before we judge it too harshly.

 

[Thrawnik]

It's just Vilgefortz minus the destruction, but without the need for setup to be more consistent

Incorrect. Vilgefortz plays the top card of your deck (which is usually not known to you) while Dandelion allows you to play whatever you want. The text is clear: You don't have to play the card that you've drawn - it can be any card. In terms of tempo it might be absolutely busted. Triggers Roach. It allows a gold followup / Frog Prince / Vrihedd Officer. A 25+ play when going second, anyone?

Like others have said, it's basically just a Gold Sile.

No, SIle plays a special, which are normally 2-3 points weaker than other cards because they're supposed to be tutored. So Sile offers roughly +1 to the card she plays in terms of actual value. In addition you need the special in your hand before you play Sile and the card has to be silver/bronze.

 

[Khreygond]

No, SIle plays a special, which are normally 2-3 points weaker than other cards because they're supposed to be tutored. So Sile offers roughly +1 to the card she plays in terms of actual value. In addition you need the special in your hand before you play Sile and the card has to be silver/bronze.

We didn't say it is Sile, it is an upgraded GOLD sile. The way it functions.

Incorrect. Vilgefortz plays the top card of your deck (which is usually not known to you) while Dandelion allows you to play whatever you want. The text is clear: You don't have to play the card that you've drawn - it can be any card. In terms of tempo it might be absolutely busted. Triggers Roach.

Dude, it draws the card first. Just like Vil can play Roach, so can Dandelion draw it. You THEN play a card. Is it better than Vilgefortz? I wouldn't say so. Vil can be used offensively as well, even though that way requires setup. Plus, in NG decks, especially in spies, you really don't care about drawing the card usually. With the right setup you just need to play it to get a mountain of points. Dandelion is a passive way to add 6 points to whatever you play while also thinning your deck a bit. Sure that's nice, but he is a gold. And like Bonk said, I can't think of any of my decks where I'd want him instead of any other gold that I use. Not even in Blue Stripes, since Roche, Dijkstra, Shani and Natalis are all crucial.

 

[Tir_na_Lia]

I understand those who criticize R:Merciless (I write this without delving into the subject), but Doet is a card who uses mechanics similar to already existing cards (Sile and Vilgefortz) who are not considered neither OP nor meme.

It's a tempo play card, with a setup different from other tempo cards we already know.

We should be happy to see the development of more cards following old and staple mechanics, since 'new' mechanics provide such an hassle.

 

[Guest 4226291]

How is he OP? He’s no different to any tutor Gold. I mean yeah playing Jan Calvert into him into Rainfarn into Cantarella is a +2 spy, except you’ve used your leader, 2 golds, and a silver all in one play just to draw a card. That’s pretty bad.

 

[partci]

... The text is clear: You don't have to play the card that you've drawn - it can be any card...

So what's the problem? It's not like you pick a certain card from your deck. Sure, you can check or adjust what's coming with Stefan or Calveit, but this is a feature of the said cards and not a problem with the Poet as a card.

 

[quantum_number]

It will be interesting to see how the card's effects resolve and if it'll be possible to get accidental CA: Dandelion draws a card and gets sniped by Moren before the play a card effect, a reverse of what happens with Emhyr.

 

[Void_Singer]

Incorrect. Vilgefortz plays the top card of your deck (which is usually not known to you) while Dandelion allows you to play whatever you want. The text is clear: You don't have to play the card that you've drawn - it can be any card.[...]

yes that is exactly what "without the need for setup to be more consistent" means... pulling roach, playing another gold, yeah vilgefortz can do that too... the only real difference is trading the damage option for consistency of the played card.... if you want to be nasty, Poet, into a silver trio, plus roach... that's 5 bodies / 30 pts on board with monsters, and 4 cards thinning, 28pts if you use the witcher trio

 

[TheZirrKing]

It's just Vilgefortz minus the destruction, but without the need for setup to be more consistent

I see a lot of people making comparisons to Vilgefortz, but Vilgefortz can't play cards from hand and is restricted to playing the card on top of your deck, while Dandelion can play the card on top of your deck or your hand due to his draw effect, not to mention Dandelion isn't faction restricted.

So if you thought Vilgefortz was a great card Dandelion is on another level.

 

[TheZirrKing]

How is he OP? He’s no different to any tutor Gold. I mean yeah playing Jan Calvert into him into Rainfarn into Cantarella is a +2 spy, except you’ve used your leader, 2 golds, and a silver all in one play just to draw a card. That’s pretty bad.

7pt + CA is gamewinning you're severely underestimating how strong CA is without losing Tempo, let alone Gaining tempo, Turn 1 Dandelion+Gold Weather is basically auto win, +2 point Dijskstra is probably the best finisher that doesn't involve Nekkers, and who knows what other broken combos will come about.

 

[4RM3D]

Now that the discussion has simmered down, time to explain why Dandelion is indeed broken. Well, actually, has broken something, to be precise.

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