I don't doubt that but since I haven't read the books I can't comment on that
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I don't doubt that but since I haven't read the books I can't comment on that
Ah, thank you! I'm still on Skellige, so I wasn't sure if I missed something at Novigrad
Thanks, I'll read it now. I'm curious about their excuses. It still would be nice if someone from Reds could write something about Triss' content issue and if there's a possible fix for this. Sigh. I know, but a girl can dream, right?
EDIT: So one of the replies says we have to wait for mods. I mean, seriously? What about people who play on consoles, like me? I can't use mods, so that means I won't have any more scenes with Triss? Wow.
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Ah, thank you! I'm still on Skellige, so I wasn't sure if I missed something at Novigrad
Thanks, I'll read it now. I'm curious about their excuses. It still would be nice if someone from Reds could write something about Triss' content issue and if there's a possible fix for this. Sigh. I know, but a girl can dream, right?
Seeing how large this thread has become and the passion in some people, I wouldn't want to be them commenting something that is not "we'll be adding the content."
Ah, thank you! I'm still on Skellige, so I wasn't sure if I missed something at Novigrad
Thanks, I'll read it now. I'm curious about their excuses. It still would be nice if someone from Reds could write something about Triss' content issue and if there's a possible fix for this. Sigh. I know, but a girl can dream, right?
EDIT: So one of the replies says we have to wait for mods. I mean, seriously? What about people who play on consoles, like me? I can't use mods, so that means I won't have any more scenes with Triss? Wow.
Mods don't make sense even for PC players, because when it comes to the main story (regarding voice actors and story continuity) it should be done by the developers themselves, yeah sex scene can be done with mods but few of us see these scene as the important part of what's missing.
Also I'm in doubt we'll have free-reign over all the game elements via RedKit, I don't think they'll let us change already existing quests & interactions - so even if we somehow hire the voice actress and recruit a panel of game&lore experts still we would have a problem
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Even as a PC player I don't think a Triss mod would work very well without her voice actress.
Thing about the whole book comparison is that it IS an important one to make and to acknowledge. All the characters are informed by how they were written in the books and the game continued their development. As such it's entirely fair to refer to character traits in the books and then to see how those have changed and developed thanks to the games. Simple as that.
Another thing is that we need to keep in mind that making a video game is extremely difficult and complex. It's easy for us to judge the end product and point out the holes but when you're building something like this there's a lot of parallel development of things and you really don't know how things will fit together until very late in process. I'm not making any excuses for CDPR, nor should I really need to since Witcher 3 is excellent, but we need to remember that this is a very difficult task.
Having said that, I've pointed out in the past that different people look for different things from RPGs. I just suspect that romance complexity just wasn't on the list for CDPR as they had other things that were higher priority. That is, however, not a criticism, merely a creative or possibly a production (as in, not enough resources) choice they made. I would say we should be conscious of the fact that CDPR is very open to tweaking their game post launch, much more so than any other developer of non MMO games, and that we need to channel our disappointment into suggestions on how to improve what's already there. The more constructive feedback and interesting ideas we generate, not only those that benefit what we want but also enhance the game as a whole, the better the chance that there will be a reaction.
May not be a place we can be at yet, given how the game is still very fresh in our minds, but it's a thought I hope you guys will keep in the back of the head so we can avoid this thread and discussion falling into a downward spiral of emotional disappointment. Lets talk about it and use the discussion to help us process, then collect any good ideas and add them to the OP or in another thread to have the best chance of being treated seriously. Just requires teamwork and a good dose of optimism.
Another thing is that we need to keep in mind that making a video game is extremely difficult and complex. It's easy for us to judge the end product and point out the holes but when you're building something like this there's a lot of parallel development of things and you really don't know how things will fit together until very late in process. I'm not making any excuses for CDPR, nor should I really need to since Witcher 3 is excellent, but we need to remember that this is a very difficult task.
Having said that, I've pointed out in the past that different people look for different things from RPGs. I just suspect that romance complexity just wasn't on the list for CDPR as they had other things that were higher priority. That is, however, not a criticism, merely a creative or possibly a production (as in, not enough resources) choice they made. I would say we should be conscious of the fact that CDPR is very open to tweaking their game post launch, much more so than any other developer of non MMO games, and that we need to channel our disappointment into suggestions on how to improve what's already there. The more constructive feedback and interesting ideas we generate, not only those that benefit what we want but also enhance the game as a whole, the better the chance that there will be a reaction.
May not be a place we can be at yet, given how the game is still very fresh in our minds, but it's a thought I hope you guys will keep in the back of the head so we can avoid this thread and discussion falling into a downward spiral of emotional disappointment. Lets talk about it and use the discussion to help us process, then collect any good ideas and add them to the OP or in another thread to have the best chance of being treated seriously. Just requires teamwork and a good dose of optimism.
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Yup, exactly. When I mean " content " I don't talk about sex scenes. I talk about more normal scenes, dialogues and such things. Mods can do that, too, but with worse quality. Voice acting and stuff like that. We need something from developers, not community.
I heard it was one expansion near the end of 2015 and 2 more in 2016...
I'm hoping expansions take place post game really. More zones in the middle aren't really needed and might throw off the narrative pacing. It could also provide opportunity for Triss content(which i really want to see). Maybe Yen could be there too and we could see some interactivity of the choices on their own relationship as well as getting some missions involving the various partners.
I am hoping for post game also but not for the same reasons. I dislike mid game DLC because it means I am already past that stuff if I beat the game and in a game this long I am not sure if I have the fortitude to go through it all again. LOL
EDIT: DLC that is separate from the main story is good also if they don't want to do post game. As long as it is something you can not do while progressing the main story, or at least something that makes sense to do either during or post game. (As in level requirements and such in addition to story elements.) That would be best I think.
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I doubt that its post game but it would be much better if it was
Its much easier to create expansion/DLC's that take place during the story
Can't really comment on whether its easier. It would feel more rewarding to me to offer post game content, especially as there's no way i could complete 100% of the existing content let alone another 30 hours without feeling sill narrative wise, ignoring the main plot in favour of side story. If it's post game then it is the main quest and we could get the sort of interaction with existing characters such as Triss people are yearning after, which would equally be very difficult whilst they have story restrictions on their presence in the main game.
Ok I just had a thought.
This game emphasizes that no choice is without its bad repercussions, ei saving the baron means letting the children die, having the mages escape triggers a pogrom, etc.
Then comes the decision to romance Triss and they couldn't think of anything bad, since everything about them is just perfect. So instead they went with a meta-game punishment and cut their scenes dramatically so we'll have something to feel regret about later.
This game emphasizes that no choice is without its bad repercussions, ei saving the baron means letting the children die, having the mages escape triggers a pogrom, etc.
Then comes the decision to romance Triss and they couldn't think of anything bad, since everything about them is just perfect. So instead they went with a meta-game punishment and cut their scenes dramatically so we'll have something to feel regret about later.
God I hope this is not true, LOL It's one thing to punish Geralt with not being able to avoid bad consequences, it's another thing entirely to punish the customer. I am taking this as if the post was meant as a joke. LOL
Just signed up to say I also thought there was a lack of Triss content! Sort of made me feel like I made the wrong choice and should of gone with Yennefer even though I preferred Triss. Ideally future content will expand on the relationships Geralt has with Triss (crucially), Ciri and Yennefer, that would be perfect.
I have to say the idea i've seen mooted regarding returning the rose of remembrance is an idea i'd like and am rather surprised isn't there considering its an inventory item.
Other main constructive feedback would be more interactivity to choices made.Her presence at Kaer Morhen earlier, acknowledging love for Triss with Yen and getting dumped in lake, Triss kissing Geralt after Yen does upon Ciri's return etc.
If there could be post game expansion set in Kovir, which gets round their decision to add option to send her away.
Same here lel. Punish Geralt with such consequences would be a punish to all of us. Since we are also talking about the lonely ending without friends to interact with it would be even more worse..
Stopping Triss going with the Mages by declaring your love means they lack a leader, so that's a sort of negative, though no power in the verse will stop me romancing Triss.
HAH! I just posted that in our group as well. Such a great picture. I asked him if he could potentially get more screenshot.
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