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CasperTheGhost

CasperTheGhost

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#7,941
Dec 29, 2020
if i were writing the ending i'd do away with the whole dna mismatch engram rejection, as there's no logic to it... instead:
the nanites have completely rewrote the neural pathways in V's brain, meaning that if you placed V's engram into their body, they'd be forced to think like johnny. V would still believe and have whatever ideals and convictions (if any) as they did before soulkiller, so V is still V, but the decisions that they'd make to achieve their goals and live up to their ideals would resemble johnny's handy work. so, v is in command but johnny follows orders in the manner he chooses (or V does rather as there is no johnny) to, more or less. stay with me here, it's a bit rough.

now, this plays out one of 3 ways, and based on your relationship with johnny...

ending 1) V ignores johnny throughout the game, cuts him off, doesn't let him speak, ends conversations as early as possible, etc. minimal johnny contact. V trys to remain him/herself, but is unable to separate their thoughts from johnny's, because s/he lacks the knowledge that would give them an idea how johnny thoughts work, how he operates, etc. and through repetition V slowly turns into johnny, having their mind forced through his thought process relentlessly. eventually v becomes a mean spirited, manipulative, angry, violent killing machine, very much resembling johnny in actions and deeds, but V in overall intent/ideals.

ending 2) V lets johnny vent, at least hears him out, but the relationship is combative and antagonistic on both sides. V does more than the base johnny content, gets to know him and his friends/associates, and has a decent understanding of johnny, how he works, his personality, etc. (a view not just derived from silverhand himself, but tempered by those who knew him)
through persistence, determination, and most importantly knowledge - V is able to separate their thoughts from johnny's and force themselves to think how they would normally, and through repetition V slowly forces their neural pathways to something more closely resembling V's thought processes. however, because their arguments overall reinforced the will of both parties, they believe their respective manners are correct, they both dig their heals in, and it's more difficult to push those pathways. so, V remains mostly V, however there is almost a flip side that carries a stark contrast. not exactly D.I.D., or bi-polor disorders, but it's there and it's noticeable.

ending 3) like ending 2, V listens to johnny, they have a few arguments, however overall, especially when johnny starts to open up... their relationship becomes fairly cordial, even friendly. V starts to have an influence on him (like when rogue actually mentions you're a good influence on him, and he's a fairly decent human being now, and not such an A-hole). both V and johnny drop their guard bit by bit, and more of you rubs off on johnny then him on you. he stats to mirror your thought more than you do his. through this shift in his personality his thought process change little by little and by the time of the soulkiller bit his thought processes are somewhat in between V's and his at this juncture already. the result is that the neural pathways are less fortified, and are already closer to V's original process, and it's easier to push the goalposts. as a result this winds up with the V engram being most like the original V.

---edit several times) the allure of the go into the net ending is that supposedly V's engram will stay as unaltered as possible in this state, and at some point you may actually get a new body or something. and V stays V, while johnny gets the body.
 
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onosendai7

onosendai7

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#7,942
Dec 29, 2020
SaulTuk said:
I wonder, why can't V and Johny both join cyberspace?
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Cause lazy writing and bad storytelling...
 
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I_Willenbrock_I

I_Willenbrock_I

Senior user
#7,943
Dec 29, 2020
CasperTheGhost said:
if i were writing the ending i'd do away with the whole dna mismatch engram rejection, as there's no logic to it... instead:
the nanites have completely rewrote the neural pathways in V's brain, meaning that if you placed V's engram into their body, they'd be forced to think like johnny. V would still believe and have whatever ideals and convictions (if any) as they did before soulkiller, so V is still V, but the decisions that they'd make to achieve their goals and live up to their ideals would resemble johnny's handy work. so, v is in command but johnny follows orders in the manner he chooses (or V does rather as there is no johnny) to, more or less. stay with me here, it's a bit rough.

now, this plays out one of 3 ways, and based on your relationship with johnny...

ending 1) V ignores johnny throughout the game, cuts him off, doesn't let him speak, ends conversations as early as possible, etc. minimal johnny contact. V trys to remain him/herself, but is unable to separate their thoughts from johnny's, because s/he lacks the knowledge that would give them an idea how johnny thoughts work, how he operates, etc. and through repetition V slowly turns into johnny, having their mind forced through his thought process relentlessly. eventually v becomes a mean spirited, manipulative, angry, violent killing machine, very much resembling johnny in actions and deeds, but V in overall intent/ideals.

ending 2) V lets johnny vent, at least hears him out, but the relationship is combative and antagonistic on both sides. V does more than the base johnny content, gets to know him and his friends/associates, and has a decent understanding of johnny, how he works, his personality, etc. (a view not just derived from silverhand himself, but tempered by those who knew him)
through persistence, determination, and most importantly knowledge - V is able to separate their thoughts from johnny's and force themselves to think how they would normally, and through repetition V slowly forces their neural pathways to something more closely resembling V's thought processes. however, because their arguments overall reinforced the will of both parties, they believe their respective manners are correct, they both dig their heals in, and it's more difficult to push those pathways. so, V remains mostly V, however there is almost a flip side that carries a stark contrast. not exactly D.I.D., or bi-polor disorders, but it's there and it's noticeable.

ending 3) like ending 2, V listens to johnny, they have a few arguments, however overall, especially when johnny starts to open up... their relationship becomes fairly cordial, even friendly. V starts to have an influence on him (like when rogue actually mentions you're a good influence on him, and he's a fairly decent human being now, and not such an A-hole). both V and johnny drop their guard bit by bit, and more of you rubs off on johnny then him on you. he stats to mirror your thought more than you do his. through this shift in his personality his thought process change little by little and by the time of the soulkiller bit his thought processes are somewhat in between V's and his at this juncture already. the result is that the neural pathways are less fortified, and are already closer to V's original process, and it's easier to push the goalposts. as a result this winds up with the V engram being most like the original V.
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Interesting ideas.
 
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SaulTuk

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#7,944
Dec 29, 2020
onosendai7 said:
Cause lazy writing and bad storytelling...
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Yeah, why can't i leave the flawed mortal world for good and ascend to a pure data with my buddy Johny? This is not option for everyone, but i see no reason to forbid it.
 
Doberman999

Doberman999

Fresh user
#7,945
Dec 29, 2020
In several side quests (Delamain, soda machine). They say that I am already dead and that my existence is a mistake. This is an interesting detail. The AI no longer considers me human. Does that mean that V, after Dex's shot, doesn't have a soul?
 
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SaulTuk

Senior user
#7,946
Dec 29, 2020
CasperTheGhost said:
if i were writing the ending i'd do away with the whole dna mismatch engram rejection, as there's no logic to it... instead:
the nanites have completely rewrote the neural pathways in V's brain, meaning that if you placed V's engram into their body, they'd be forced to think like johnny. V would still believe and have whatever ideals and convictions (if any) as they did before soulkiller, so V is still V, but the decisions that they'd make to achieve their goals and live up to their ideals would resemble johnny's handy work. so, v is in command but johnny follows orders in the manner he chooses (or V does rather as there is no johnny) to, more or less. stay with me here, it's a bit rough.

now, this plays out one of 3 ways, and based on your relationship with johnny...

ending 1) V ignores johnny throughout the game, cuts him off, doesn't let him speak, ends conversations as early as possible, etc. minimal johnny contact. V trys to remain him/herself, but is unable to separate their thoughts from johnny's, because s/he lacks the knowledge that would give them an idea how johnny thoughts work, how he operates, etc. and through repetition V slowly turns into johnny, having their mind forced through his thought process relentlessly. eventually v becomes a mean spirited, manipulative, angry, violent killing machine, very much resembling johnny in actions and deeds, but V in overall intent/ideals.

ending 2) V lets johnny vent, at least hears him out, but the relationship is combative and antagonistic on both sides. V does more than the base johnny content, gets to know him and his friends/associates, and has a decent understanding of johnny, how he works, his personality, etc. (a view not just derived from silverhand himself, but tempered by those who knew him)
through persistence, determination, and most importantly knowledge - V is able to separate their thoughts from johnny's and force themselves to think how they would normally, and through repetition V slowly forces their neural pathways to something more closely resembling V's thought processes. however, because their arguments overall reinforced the will of both parties, they believe their respective manners are correct, they both dig their heals in, and it's more difficult to push those pathways. so, V remains mostly V, however there is almost a flip side that carries a stark contrast. not exactly D.I.D., or bi-polor disorders, but it's there and it's noticeable.

ending 3) like ending 2, V listens to johnny, they have a few arguments, however overall, especially when johnny starts to open up... their relationship becomes fairly cordial, even friendly. V starts to have an influence on him (like when rogue actually mentions you're a good influence on him, and he's a fairly decent human being now, and not such an A-hole). both V and johnny drop their guard bit by bit, and more of you rubs off on johnny then him on you. he stats to mirror your thought more than you do his. through this shift in his personality his thought process change little by little and by the time of the soulkiller bit his thought processes are somewhat in between V's and his at this juncture already. the result is that the neural pathways are less fortified, and are already closer to V's original process, and it's easier to push the goalposts. as a result this winds up with the V engram being most like the original V.

---edit several times) the allure of the go into the net ending is that supposedly V's engram will stay as unaltered as possible in this state, and at some point you may actually get a new body or something. and V stays V, while johnny gets the body.
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Yeah, a good ideas. I like the concept, that in order to secure V's psyche and avoid separation problems (like 6 months crap) V should sacrifice Johny's friendship, gear and quests
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Doberman999 said:
In several side quests (Delamain, soda machine). They say that I am already dead and that my existence is a mistake. This is an interesting detail. The AI no longer considers me human. Does that mean that V, after Dex's shot, doesn't have a soul?
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If V is dead after Dex shot him, there is nothing left to grieve. Every day is a gift, so burn bright and regret nothing. For me this is motivation to do as much good as i can, feed fellas need feeding, saving fellas need saving and shoot fellas that need shooting, as Dutch in RDR2 said.
By the way, quest chain with crucifixion impressed me a lot
 
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onosendai7

onosendai7

Senior user
#7,947
Dec 29, 2020
SaulTuk said:
Yeah, why can't i leave the flawed mortal world for good and ascend to a pure data with my buddy Johny? This is not option for everyone, but i see no reason to forbid it.
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This was the most obvious outcome, and the one which fits the world best.
It also conveys the message : "Let's forsake the pains and grief and misery of the earthly world. I heard they intercepted some signal from Alpha Centauri. What about going there and have a look ?"
 
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SaulTuk

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#7,948
Dec 29, 2020
onosendai7 said:
This was the most obvious outcome, and the one which fits the world best.
It also conveys the message : "Let's forsake the pains and grief and misery of the earthly world. I heard they intercepted some signal from Alpha Centauri. What about going there and have a look ?"
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Yes, and option to warn V's friends about his decision. Like, "lo, friends, do not lament my passing, for this is not the end, but a beginning of something new".
 
Doberman999

Doberman999

Fresh user
#7,949
Dec 29, 2020
CasperTheGhost said:
if i were writing the ending i'd do away with the whole dna mismatch engram rejection, as there's no logic to it... instead:
the nanites have completely rewrote the neural pathways in V's brain, meaning that if you placed V's engram into their body, they'd be forced to think like johnny. V would still believe and have whatever ideals and convictions (if any) as they did before soulkiller, so V is still V, but the decisions that they'd make to achieve their goals and live up to their ideals would resemble johnny's handy work. so, v is in command but johnny follows orders in the manner he chooses (or V does rather as there is no johnny) to, more or less. stay with me here, it's a bit rough.

now, this plays out one of 3 ways, and based on your relationship with johnny...

ending 1) V ignores johnny throughout the game, cuts him off, doesn't let him speak, ends conversations as early as possible, etc. minimal johnny contact. V trys to remain him/herself, but is unable to separate their thoughts from johnny's, because s/he lacks the knowledge that would give them an idea how johnny thoughts work, how he operates, etc. and through repetition V slowly turns into johnny, having their mind forced through his thought process relentlessly. eventually v becomes a mean spirited, manipulative, angry, violent killing machine, very much resembling johnny in actions and deeds, but V in overall intent/ideals.

ending 2) V lets johnny vent, at least hears him out, but the relationship is combative and antagonistic on both sides. V does more than the base johnny content, gets to know him and his friends/associates, and has a decent understanding of johnny, how he works, his personality, etc. (a view not just derived from silverhand himself, but tempered by those who knew him)
through persistence, determination, and most importantly knowledge - V is able to separate their thoughts from johnny's and force themselves to think how they would normally, and through repetition V slowly forces their neural pathways to something more closely resembling V's thought processes. however, because their arguments overall reinforced the will of both parties, they believe their respective manners are correct, they both dig their heals in, and it's more difficult to push those pathways. so, V remains mostly V, however there is almost a flip side that carries a stark contrast. not exactly D.I.D., or bi-polor disorders, but it's there and it's noticeable.

ending 3) like ending 2, V listens to johnny, they have a few arguments, however overall, especially when johnny starts to open up... their relationship becomes fairly cordial, even friendly. V starts to have an influence on him (like when rogue actually mentions you're a good influence on him, and he's a fairly decent human being now, and not such an A-hole). both V and johnny drop their guard bit by bit, and more of you rubs off on johnny then him on you. he stats to mirror your thought more than you do his. through this shift in his personality his thought process change little by little and by the time of the soulkiller bit his thought processes are somewhat in between V's and his at this juncture already. the result is that the neural pathways are less fortified, and are already closer to V's original process, and it's easier to push the goalposts. as a result this winds up with the V engram being most like the original V.

---edit several times) the allure of the go into the net ending is that supposedly V's engram will stay as unaltered as possible in this state, and at some point you may actually get a new body or something. and V stays V, while johnny gets the body.
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Do you know why the game turned out to be linear? Keanu Reeves did not immediately join the game. It seems that the game went on a different path at first. But after the introduction of Keanu, everything went differently. CDPR spent a lot of money on it. I wouldn't be surprised if it was 30-50% of the total budget. Therefore, the plot had to be put on rails. The vast majority of people will see only one ending. They will only pass the game once. And they can't afford to pay extra Keanu for even more scenes when you deviate from the plot. Because most people won't see these scenes. And when you tell them to make a plot where you need to avoid Johnny. This is strange. They spent a lot of money on it. They'll try to shove it right in your face
 
Simuxas

Simuxas

Senior user
#7,950
Dec 29, 2020
Something did happen in 2019, because looking at what we got and what we actually saw, sad. They said third person cutscenes will be in game, even those got scrapped probably cuz had no time to implement them all.
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Customize your V but only see it where? In car and inventory? Epic.
 
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SaulTuk

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#7,951
Dec 29, 2020
Simuxas said:
Something did happen in 2019, because looking at what we got and what we actually saw, sad. They said third person cutscenes will be in game, even those got scrapped probably cuz had no time to implement them all.
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Customize your V but only see it where? In car and inventory? Epic.
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Alas, it is not our V, it was just borrowed to us(
 
QuantEffect

QuantEffect

Fresh user
#7,952
Dec 29, 2020
Simuxas said:
Something did happen in 2019, because looking at what we got and what we actually saw, sad. They said third person cutscenes will be in game, even those got scrapped probably cuz had no time to implement them all.
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Customize your V but only see it where? In car and inventory? Epic.
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You mean only on your bike and inventory. So you almost never see V in actual gameplay...maybe it's better this way as the clothing system encourages people to dress like clowns in order to have the most optimal gear...
 
Master_Plot

Master_Plot

Forum regular
#7,953
Dec 29, 2020
Looks like we are not the only ones...
topic starts at 7.35
 
crawfordman

crawfordman

Forum regular
#7,954
Dec 29, 2020
if i recall long time ago once upon a time. i heard from an interview or somewhere that you could actually beat the game without finishing the "main quests".
 
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jahkin

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#7,955
Dec 29, 2020
onosendai7 said:
This was the most obvious outcome, and the one which fits the world best.
It also conveys the message : "Let's forsake the pains and grief and misery of the earthly world. I heard they intercepted some signal from Alpha Centauri. What about going there and have a look ?"
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Note: "And Poochie, I mean "V", died on the way to her home planet!"
 
tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#7,956
Dec 29, 2020
I wouldn't be surprised if all endings get scrapped or changed
 
naddaya

naddaya

Forum regular
#7,957
Dec 29, 2020
Simuxas said:
Something did happen in 2019, because looking at what we got and what we actually saw, sad. They said third person cutscenes will be in game, even those got scrapped probably cuz had no time to implement them all.
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Customize your V but only see it where? In car and inventory? Epic.
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Mirror and photo mode? I thought I would be bothered by the lack of cutscenes before the game came out but I actually liked the constant first person view and only seeing what V sees, optical implant UIs, glitches and all. Except maybe for the romance scenes, that was kinda weird.
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tRYSIS3 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if all endings get scrapped or changed
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The Johnny relationship and symptoms progression percentages don't seem to have much impact on the game outside of unlocking the secret ending and getting some different lines from Johnny, makes me think that they were supposed to play a bigger role in the final outcome.
 
tRYSIS3

tRYSIS3

Senior user
#7,958
Dec 29, 2020
naddaya said:
The Johnny relationship and symptoms progression percentages don't seem to have much impact on the game outside of unlocking the secret ending and getting some different lines from Johnny, makes me think that they were supposed to play a bigger role in the final outcome.
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They feel like placeholders for that reason, as well as the fact that there is no endgame... yet.
 
onosendai7

onosendai7

Senior user
#7,959
Dec 29, 2020
jahkin said:
Note: "And Poochie, I mean "V", died on the way to her home planet!"
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I'm joking about the end or Neuromancer.
How can one be on a forum called Cyberpunk and ignore Neuromancer ?
You shall go away, never to come back ! :p
 
I_Willenbrock_I

I_Willenbrock_I

Senior user
#7,960
Dec 29, 2020
tRYSIS3 said:
I wouldn't be surprised if all endings get scrapped or changed
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I would be all in for that one but I am afraid that is wishful thinking. Writers tend to get a bit strange when you tell them that their story is not fun to follow.

Look at the responses from the Mass Effect 3 team. Casey Hudson was pissed that people criticised the games Story.
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onosendai7 said:
I'm joking about the end or Neuromancer.
How can one be on a forum called Cyberpunk and ignore Neuromancer ?
You shall go away, never to come back ! :p
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Btw. Love your forum name and avatar Pic.
 
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