Okay, to be honest the more I read nowadays here and there, the more I get angry about the whole situation in the meanwhile. It’s great that CDPR actually want to rework on the approach of Triss, but what about other characters and in particular Yennefer?
Why do I have to defend my choice for Yennefer to everybody every damn time? Why is everybody always questioning my choice for her in the first place? Not only in the game, but also in the forums. It’s like people, ingame and not, are endless astonished how I could possible do that and I start to believe that the game just didn’t do her justice, not at all.
I don’t know if that has something to do with the influx of new people thanks to Witcher 3, but while the controversial subject in the time before Witcher 3 was already that Triss isn’t a saint and Yennefer isn’t the devil, I thought Witcher 3 will clear that up and it didn’t, it didn’t at all, for neither of them!
People still think Triss is a saint and Yennefer is the devil, and only few who haven't read the books see both sides, good and bad for both ladies.
I know the books, I know their background, I know what and why she, Geralt or Ciri does things, so I was quite satisfied with how it turned out in the game, but apparently this barely works for non-readers. Yes, there are examples of how people understand that there is more underneath her hard shell, but it looks like the great mass just doesn’t get it and again Triss is the one who gets the first chance in the game, how is that fair to us or to newcomers, who want to see both sides before deciding?
Sure, you could recommend those reading the books, but that shouldn’t be the solution, when the game fails to deliver it in the first place.
Furthermore why is Dijsktra such a dick, when i let Triss go for good without expressing my endless love for her? It’s my friend, of course I wish her all the best and I support her in her ambitions to save the sorcerers, but the game basically tells me i did the wrong choice by letting her go.
It’s even funnier that Dijkstra does it. The guy, who got dumbed by Philippa and wants to kill her, is telling me how I have to deal with my romantic issues with a sorceress? Really? I expected Dandelion doing it, but not Dijkstra.
Apropos Dandelion, i keep repeating that, but she saved his fricking life, it's even getting to the point where...
Sure, we can listen to Prisciall's song, which is really really great, but no comment whatsoever by Dandelion about Yen, really?
Also why is everybody always speaking ill of Yennefer (again, in the forums and games…), despite what she did in the past? It’s like people only see what they want to see without looking at both sides, again in the game and not.
Where is her motherly side? One of the key issues in the books was that she wanted a child and Ciri is that child, so despite being this such an important issue, it is barely covered by the game. Yes, we see one single daughter/mother moment, when you bring back Ciri to Kaer Morhen and maybe when you go to the laboratory, but that's it. How is that comparable to what we have seen in the books?
Sure, the bond between Geralt and Ciri is really important and formed by destiny, but a bond between a mother and her child is something extraordinary. Something we see every day in our own life and here it is even more crucial, because Yennefer can’t have children, yet she always wanted one.
She is doing all those “awful” things to find her, to save her, because of that bond, yet the game barely represents it.
You can kill Whoreson Jr., because he could have done those awful things to Ciri, too, so I killed that prick, so he can’t do it to anybody anymore. Just the thought of it…urgh.
And Yennefer isn't treating Geralt as a dog at all, just look at those dialogue lines from the start:
She never says "stfu Geralt and do what i tell you", she finished 3 times with "all right?", that's not a demand, but a plea.
Sure, Geralt says later that her pleas are never just pleas, but is she wrong? or lying?
She tells him tomorrow what is going on.
She tells him that she had no other choice than to cooperate with Emhyr to find Ciri.
She tells him to not risk his life again, because she doesn't want to lose him again.
That's not a command.
This is one of the few moments, where Geralt actually tries to explain his relationship with her. A few sentences to explain a 20+ years relationship, wow.
If i was the woman he is speaking of, i would be pissed as hell, if he rounds it up like that. Good thing i am a man and i know what stupid things you can say to women or about women, so i had even sympathy for him.
Why don't we have more scenes like this one?
Just look at her face (slowed down):
http://gfycat.com/ApprehensiveMedicalIvorybilledwoodpecker#?speed=0. 5
Worrying about Ciri.
Here we go again, i have to defend her and her motives, a dialogue with Ermion:
Only resulting in distrusting her again, great:
Hmm, i wonder what that could be...
I/Geralt said that and i meant it this way. Ermion isn't talking to Yennefer here, only to Geralt.
"I can't force you."
Who is that woman? Can't be Yennefer, because she would demand it in any case.
It's not like she is bringing Ciri back to Emhyr for a reward or something like that, oh wait, Geralt can actually do that. He can take crowns for doing so, but she is the devil, not you. Selling your own daughter to another man.
At Kaer Morhen she asks him to be polite, trying to trust each other again the way it was before and yet you can do the opposite:
the other branch, if you say "i'm sorry":
This was at the garden quest:
She isn't doing that cause of disrespect, but because she is looking for Ciri, someone who is still alive, but could die, if you don't hurry up.
Geralt asks her to stop and she does. Geralt tells her to do something and she listens to him, not vice versa. In the video you can even see how she looks away with shame.
[video]https://youtu.be/3fyB1j8JJWM?t=2m50s[/video]
listen to her tone, sounds despairing, doesn't it?
When CDPR, when? I can't remember having those talks like these.
She takes all the blame.
and then this happens at the end, what starts the quest The Last Wish
and you have two options:
or this:
That quest is really, really important to her, yet she asks him to help her, not demand or command it. She even shows understanding, if you don't come with her immediately, heck, she even tells you that "if you don't make it, we'll meet in Vizima", like it's not such a big deal. It's a huge deal for her, but she doesn't say it, doesn't want to force him to do anything only for her.
May i also remind you that those folks threw the dead body of Skjall onto a pile of waste afterwards? They cared more about a stupid garden than one of them, their own flesh and blood. You can even accompany Ciri later because of this and tell the folk to not dishonour his body/grave again or they have to deal with you.
Yesterday I said that this is one of the few threads I like to revisit, because it is making me smile reading other posts, while many other threads are mostly just complaints and criticisms, and I didn’t want that here too, but it looks like complaining gets results, but praising doesn’t and i think we should raise our voices too, if we have concerns and not just be happy with that little we have.
So here i sit, doing what i did in the last two years before Witcher 3 (those who are already longer here probably have seen one or two posts by me in that other famous thread...), explaining something, the game should have done in the first place and not me, not the books, and do you know what pisses me off the most? Only a fraction will see this post, most likely only people who will agree with me will see it, but those who can actually change it? Maybe, they haven't post a "we have received your message" here, so i have to trust them, just like i did before Witcher 3 and hope for the best, again.
But maybe if i could only convince one user to think a little bit different about Yennefer with this post, it was probably already worth it.
And give Yennefer a real damn dress, not just a different version of her usual clothes. The Toussaint expansion would be the perfect place for it.
Why do I have to defend my choice for Yennefer to everybody every damn time? Why is everybody always questioning my choice for her in the first place? Not only in the game, but also in the forums. It’s like people, ingame and not, are endless astonished how I could possible do that and I start to believe that the game just didn’t do her justice, not at all.
I don’t know if that has something to do with the influx of new people thanks to Witcher 3, but while the controversial subject in the time before Witcher 3 was already that Triss isn’t a saint and Yennefer isn’t the devil, I thought Witcher 3 will clear that up and it didn’t, it didn’t at all, for neither of them!
People still think Triss is a saint and Yennefer is the devil, and only few who haven't read the books see both sides, good and bad for both ladies.
I know the books, I know their background, I know what and why she, Geralt or Ciri does things, so I was quite satisfied with how it turned out in the game, but apparently this barely works for non-readers. Yes, there are examples of how people understand that there is more underneath her hard shell, but it looks like the great mass just doesn’t get it and again Triss is the one who gets the first chance in the game, how is that fair to us or to newcomers, who want to see both sides before deciding?
Sure, you could recommend those reading the books, but that shouldn’t be the solution, when the game fails to deliver it in the first place.
Furthermore why is Dijsktra such a dick, when i let Triss go for good without expressing my endless love for her? It’s my friend, of course I wish her all the best and I support her in her ambitions to save the sorcerers, but the game basically tells me i did the wrong choice by letting her go.
It’s even funnier that Dijkstra does it. The guy, who got dumbed by Philippa and wants to kill her, is telling me how I have to deal with my romantic issues with a sorceress? Really? I expected Dandelion doing it, but not Dijkstra.
Apropos Dandelion, i keep repeating that, but she saved his fricking life, it's even getting to the point where...
He wants to change the image of ALL sorcerers because of HER.
Sure, we can listen to Prisciall's song, which is really really great, but no comment whatsoever by Dandelion about Yen, really?
Also why is everybody always speaking ill of Yennefer (again, in the forums and games…), despite what she did in the past? It’s like people only see what they want to see without looking at both sides, again in the game and not.
Where is her motherly side? One of the key issues in the books was that she wanted a child and Ciri is that child, so despite being this such an important issue, it is barely covered by the game. Yes, we see one single daughter/mother moment, when you bring back Ciri to Kaer Morhen and maybe when you go to the laboratory, but that's it. How is that comparable to what we have seen in the books?
Sure, the bond between Geralt and Ciri is really important and formed by destiny, but a bond between a mother and her child is something extraordinary. Something we see every day in our own life and here it is even more crucial, because Yennefer can’t have children, yet she always wanted one.
She is doing all those “awful” things to find her, to save her, because of that bond, yet the game barely represents it.
You can kill Whoreson Jr., because he could have done those awful things to Ciri, too, so I killed that prick, so he can’t do it to anybody anymore. Just the thought of it…urgh.
And Yennefer isn't treating Geralt as a dog at all, just look at those dialogue lines from the start:
She never says "stfu Geralt and do what i tell you", she finished 3 times with "all right?", that's not a demand, but a plea.
Sure, Geralt says later that her pleas are never just pleas, but is she wrong? or lying?
She tells him tomorrow what is going on.
She tells him that she had no other choice than to cooperate with Emhyr to find Ciri.
She tells him to not risk his life again, because she doesn't want to lose him again.
That's not a command.
If i was the woman he is speaking of, i would be pissed as hell, if he rounds it up like that. Good thing i am a man and i know what stupid things you can say to women or about women, so i had even sympathy for him.
Why don't we have more scenes like this one?
Just look at her face (slowed down):
http://gfycat.com/ApprehensiveMedicalIvorybilledwoodpecker#?speed=0. 5
Worrying about Ciri.
Here we go again, i have to defend her and her motives, a dialogue with Ermion:
Only resulting in distrusting her again, great:
Hmm, i wonder what that could be...
I/Geralt said that and i meant it this way. Ermion isn't talking to Yennefer here, only to Geralt.
"I can't force you."
Who is that woman? Can't be Yennefer, because she would demand it in any case.
It's not like she is bringing Ciri back to Emhyr for a reward or something like that, oh wait, Geralt can actually do that. He can take crowns for doing so, but she is the devil, not you. Selling your own daughter to another man.
At Kaer Morhen she asks him to be polite, trying to trust each other again the way it was before and yet you can do the opposite:
the other branch, if you say "i'm sorry":
This was at the garden quest:
She isn't doing that cause of disrespect, but because she is looking for Ciri, someone who is still alive, but could die, if you don't hurry up.
Geralt asks her to stop and she does. Geralt tells her to do something and she listens to him, not vice versa. In the video you can even see how she looks away with shame.
[video]https://youtu.be/3fyB1j8JJWM?t=2m50s[/video]
listen to her tone, sounds despairing, doesn't it?
When CDPR, when? I can't remember having those talks like these.
She takes all the blame.
and then this happens at the end, what starts the quest The Last Wish
and you have two options:
or this:
That quest is really, really important to her, yet she asks him to help her, not demand or command it. She even shows understanding, if you don't come with her immediately, heck, she even tells you that "if you don't make it, we'll meet in Vizima", like it's not such a big deal. It's a huge deal for her, but she doesn't say it, doesn't want to force him to do anything only for her.
May i also remind you that those folks threw the dead body of Skjall onto a pile of waste afterwards? They cared more about a stupid garden than one of them, their own flesh and blood. You can even accompany Ciri later because of this and tell the folk to not dishonour his body/grave again or they have to deal with you.
Yesterday I said that this is one of the few threads I like to revisit, because it is making me smile reading other posts, while many other threads are mostly just complaints and criticisms, and I didn’t want that here too, but it looks like complaining gets results, but praising doesn’t and i think we should raise our voices too, if we have concerns and not just be happy with that little we have.
So here i sit, doing what i did in the last two years before Witcher 3 (those who are already longer here probably have seen one or two posts by me in that other famous thread...), explaining something, the game should have done in the first place and not me, not the books, and do you know what pisses me off the most? Only a fraction will see this post, most likely only people who will agree with me will see it, but those who can actually change it? Maybe, they haven't post a "we have received your message" here, so i have to trust them, just like i did before Witcher 3 and hope for the best, again.
But maybe if i could only convince one user to think a little bit different about Yennefer with this post, it was probably already worth it.
And give Yennefer a real damn dress, not just a different version of her usual clothes. The Toussaint expansion would be the perfect place for it.
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