Golden Age of Dwarves

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Weevil89;n10269122 said:
This always reminds me of Yu-Gi-Oh. Anyone who has ever played that game at a high level can tell you that when people start maindecking tech cards to counter the meta which either partially or completely go against their own deck's strategy, or at the very least don't help it much, you know there is something wrong. In Yu-Gi-Oh players have a 15-card side deck they can fill with all kinds of tech cards to swap in between rounds in a best of three. Despite that, some metas are so oppressive (with games being over in one or two turns) that how you open is so important. People panic and start deconstructing their perfectly viable deck in favour of a mish mash of control cards that effectively only work against one deck. Gwent isn't as complex as Yu-Gi-Oh but the symptoms are still there.
Absolutely!

SHALLAHJUSTICE;n10270012 said:
Dwarves are so boring to play as, no elegance, no pizzaz.

But i guess people will do whatever they can for "wins"

Not me though...but you're right.
I always avoid the meta not because I consider myself a badass who can beat whoever I play against with whatever deck I build but simply because for me personally, Gwent is a game and I just play it because I enjoy it.
And if I don't get pro ladder for one season I'm not gonna cry for this, I prefer stay at rk 19/20 and have fun rather than go to higher level of play with the same busted deck and get bored.

It's very sad that, a lot of people are playing for winning by all cost, whatever it takes, cheating, exploiting bugs, playing a completely broken deck...
Imo they forgot the definition of a game which is stupid btw since the vast majority of them will never play at the highest level and never get anything from doing that apart from getting their own self sick of the game.
 
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GenLiu;n10271552 said:
Absolutely!



Not me though...but you're right.
I always avoid the meta not because I consider myself a badass who can beat whoever I play against with whatever deck I build but simply because for me personally, Gwent is a game and I just play it because I enjoy it.
And if I don't get pro ladder for one season I'm not gonna cry for this, I prefer stay at rk 19/20 and have fun rather than go to higher level of play with the same busted deck and get bored.

It's very sad that, a lot of people are playing for winning by all cost, whatever it takes, cheating, exploiting bugs, playing a completely broken deck...
Imo they forgot the definition of a game which is stupid btw since the vast majority of them will never play at the highest level and never get anything from doing that apart from getting their own self sick of the game.

It's easy to lose perspective in a game when you are playing at the highest level. To be honest, most players will be sitting around 4kish MMR, and that's where they will stay. The system is designed that way. I will admit right here that I have only gotten to 4250 MMR once and in other seasons I always sit at about 4k. I play off-meta as well, though, because I certainly do get bored and I can't be blamed for that given how new the game is and how limited its card pool is. What we really need is a new game mode for more casual players. Just having casual play and ranked play isn't really enough.
 
Weevil89;n10272572 said:
It's easy to lose perspective in a game when you are playing at the highest level. To be honest, most players will be sitting around 4kish MMR, and that's where they will stay. The system is designed that way. I will admit right here that I have only gotten to 4250 MMR once and in other seasons I always sit at about 4k. I play off-meta as well, though, because I certainly do get bored and I can't be blamed for that given how new the game is and how limited its card pool is. What we really need is a new game mode for more casual players. Just having casual play and ranked play isn't really enough.

Well, you're in luck, CDPR said they're going to add a new game mode probably shortly. In fact some of the new units they introduced with the last patch are meant for this mode (Slave driver and Elven scout for example).
 
I don't quite understand all the Dwarf flak ST keeps getting.

Yes, it is overtuned, but since Spell'tael was all but gutted... It's THE only thing keeping the entire faction afloat. Nerf dwarves alone and everyone flocks back to NG, SK or Mon. ST needs an actually viable different playstyle again.

And I say that as someone who went from Spell to Dwarves and only uses ST exclusively, just to stay competitive.
 
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My response to dwarfs is when someone is playing them to voice my disapproval using zolton I say "gonna kick ya so hard in ass you'll taste boot leather" I proceed to do this every play every few seconds .. If others join me in this fight we can together fight against these foul dwarfs and their owners.
 
Well, the currently played by most players dwarven deck, which is based on skirmishers has several flaws, like susceptible to Ithlinne nukes, doesn't include tools to counter the "consume deck", and can be exploitable by NG decks with slave drivers. My mix of dwarves and elves under Brouver's command, IMHO, works better, including counters against consume decks. So, if you think of synergies you can almost always find better solutions. But I agree that dwarven deck with addition of Hattory became just too awesome, as most of the plays are 14-16+ points, which is insane tempo, and Ciri:Nova, Ithlinne: The Nuke, and Iorveth: Meditation (most of times it's better than scorch) are definitely OP.
 
Karfuss;n10273702 said:
And I say that as someone who went from Spell to Dwarves and only uses ST exclusively, just to stay competitive.

So your 100% bias and in self preservation mode?. Not a good thing to put when argueing not to touch a BLATANTLY broken deck.


Is ST crap outside of Dwarves? Yes.
Should dwarves be left as is? Absoloutely not.

The problem again spins round to the fact CDPR IS STILL awful at balancing and have just pigeon holed ST into playing EXACTLY like SK does.

The awfuly simple truth of the matter is that the current balance and design team are at this point undeniably bad at their jobs and need more help.

 
Zjiin;n10276222 said:
Is ST crap outside of Dwarves? Yes.
Not quite true. Mix of dwarves and elves is very viable. Only Francesca as a leader is too low tempo to be good.
 
Maerd;n10276372 said:
Not quite true. Mix of dwarves and elves is very viable. Only Francesca as a leader is too low tempo to be good.

It's literally only viable because of dwarves, once they get nerfed ST will be an underdog again. Handbuff, mulligan, traps - unfinished archetypes, no finishers (like Olaf, Shani etc.) at all.
 
Zjiin;n10276222 said:
So your 100% bias and in self preservation mode?. Not a good thing to put when argueing not to touch a BLATANTLY broken deck.
Is ST crap outside of Dwarves? Yes. Should dwarves be left as is? Absoloutely not.

100% bias? lol

If wanting a different, viable archetype besides Dwarves if Dwarves is to be nerfed into the ground puts me in self preservation mode. So be it. It seems you glossed over that. You touch dwarves, you kill the Faction, as you yourself accept.

You can tout CDPR is bad at balancing all you want. KILLING a faction because you don't like being against it's only viable deck is a 100% biased position. A terrible idea.
 
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A quick reminder to keep the discussion here as friendly and respectful as possible. Thank you!
 
Zjiin;n10276222 said:
So your 100% bias and in self preservation mode?. Not a good thing to put when argueing not to touch a BLATANTLY broken deck.


Is ST crap outside of Dwarves? Yes.
Should dwarves be left as is? Absoloutely not.

The problem again spins round to the fact CDPR IS STILL awful at balancing and have just pigeon holed ST into playing EXACTLY like SK does.

The awfuly simple truth of the matter is that the current balance and design team are at this point undeniably bad at their jobs and need more help.

You do know that in every collectible card game in the history of forever, there's only ever been two or three top decks, right? Every magic format ever has at most 4 or 5 competitive decks, and those sets are generally thought of as the best ever. Hearthstone has only ever had a few competitive archetypes in each era, and so on and so forth. It's always like this.

As for them being bad at their jobs... you might as well stop playing then, because they're not going to suddenly about face, grow a massive new balance team and become better at this overnight. We'll be lucky if the game is balanced by the end of the year, and that's assuming they don't introduce any new cards, which they will. Games like this are difficult to balance, and CDPR also have a single player expansion to devote time to.

If you can't accept that it's going to take time for the game to sort itself out and for the team to get it where they want it to go, there's really nothing to be done.

This patch was terrible. There's nothing left to say on the subject. Literally everyone agrees. All that matters now is what they do with the next patch and the patch beyond. They KNOW they screwed up, they've publically admitted as such, in a post stickied on the front page. At this point what else can you ask for? They're not changing things tomorrow. They've said they're not doing anything until after the GWENT open. If you're not enjoying, stop playing until the next patch is released and hope they fix things. If you are, focus on the positives for now and give relevant feedback where it's found.

At this point nothing new can be said on the 'Gwent is terrible now CDPR are terrible this game is doomed etc. etc. ad nauseum' front.
 
iamthedave;n10295172 said:
You do know that in every collectible card game in the history of forever, there's only ever been two or three top decks, right? Every magic format ever has at most 4 or 5 competitive decks, and those sets are generally thought of as the best ever.

I agree with most of what you said; I don't know Hearthstone, so I'll take your word on that. However, what you said about MtG having only 4-5 competitive decks per iteration? NO. I played MtG for years and unless something drastic has happened in the last few editions, that is not true. It definitely was not true for 1st-3rd editions.

 
Scoia'tael Decks are OP and give u a guaranteed ~75% loss

It is getting rediculous these days....I mean come on. While playing my regular 6 matches a day I got 3 days in a row 100% Socia'tae. opponents...
They play basically 2-3 different strategies.

All decks include the following cards:

Leader: Either EITHNE or Brouver

Golds: ITHLINNE (MOST OP CARD ATM), IORVETH (MEDITATION) (Crazy strong but balanced), AGLAIS (SECOND MOST OP CARD) and Xavier Moran (balanced)

Silvers: Hattori, Barclay Els, Paulie Dahlberg, Yarpen, Dennis Cranmer and Mahakam Horn or Commander's Horn
(3!!! Silver cards that are actually units and Ressurect or let u play cards from ur deck...then you have the mahakam horn with its choice play and the classics Yarpen and Cranmer...)

Bronze: Dwarven Agitator (Also a spawn card but with a lot of randomness)

Actually all other bronze cards do not matter that much because u wit get fucking rekt anyways because of all the cards listed above...there does not even need to be a proper strategy with the selection of your bronze cards because all cards above do the major deal.

Yeah and I know it is a bit of whining but come on...you do not even need any good strategy to play these cards because so many single cards are so overpowered.

This month is a freaking waste in Gwent. Everyone now has all the nececcary cards to create this deck and as u probably know ...everyone plays this deck atm.

To the developers: Please make sure balance the game or I am gone.

When you do a patch it is almost always the case that something is overpowered but at least it has to be split onto 2 fractions...making dwarfs that crazy strong is nothing but stupid
 
xDivinity;n10332462 said:
I never thought the day would come,that someone would call Aglais an "OP" card sigh ....
The whole "OP" of Aglais comes from possibility to steal decoy and use it on Hattori/Barclay/Paulie or commander horn for massive ~30 points swing.
 
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Yes, Aglais seems okay to me. In a normal elves deck it's not really a problem. Of course, I can see how it may be tricky in combination with dwarf ST - but even there I'm more worried about cards like Ithlinne and Paulie.
 
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