More diverse relationship options.

[Poet_and_Gentleman.598]

Wolf of Wall Street?

The early porn scenes of leo snorting cocaine off the ass of a hooker pretty much set the tone for the rest of the movie.

I would expect that given the corruption and decadence of the city, the sex industry would not only be thriving, it would be aggressive in pursuing new clients and omnipresent.

It would be for example, appropriate for a prostitute to bare her breasts and actively solicit the PC with lines like "Fuck me or I scream rape".

All part of the urban landscape.

I don't think sex should be part of the story but it would definitely help in defining the corrupt and decadent setting.

It's symbolic: morals, LE no longer have any holds over the city.

 

[Nars]

In any case, I'd still argue he cut it and that was the version that became a classic. It was well-loved and definitive without sex - it did not need sex to be a Cyberpunk classic.

I don't think we needed the scene from Neuromancer for character development. Many, many great stories have been told without any kind of explicit sex scenes - most of Gibson's work, in fact, has little to no sex at all. His characters are not the poorer for it being alluded to, rather than described.

Why do you think we would ever need an explicit sex scene in a story, though? Do you have a great story example where that is the case, that the story depended on an explicit sex scene?

I'll answer to is it necessary? argument again, and for the last time.
I'll focus on Blade Runner, just for sake of conversation. Tell me Sard, is rain really necessary in BR? Is Vangelis crucial to the story? Would Roy saved Rick if events took place during day? Would Rachel pass the test without the cigarette? Would Pris be any less dangerous without slutty outfit? ETC.

Book/film/comic isn't dependent on any of those factors. But take out any of them, and you loose a part which make the film/book/comic what it is. With your logic (which you can easily apply to any of above elements) you pretty much are killing the magic, Sard. Why would you do that? WHY!?

You hear cyberpunk, you think: night, rain, Asian logograms, prosthetics, cyberspace, evil corporations, rebellion, noir, sex, violence, drugs, neons, anti hero, robots, androids, dirt, post-cataclysm world, dystopia, hacking...

You don't have to put all in, to have a cyberpunk story, but all of those elements (and many more) belong to genre.

For reference, I consider porn explicit, yes. That's the idea of explicit - there is no doubt that you are seeing sex. Even the Blade Runner seen cuts out before things get really clear. Watching people have sex is as explicit asyou can get, and that's pornography.

Pornography is explicit. Explicit sex is not a pornography. I thought that this is quite obvious.

Oh, i ran across this shot while checking on the BR sex scene, shot, Nars. Isn't it great?

Of course it is. It's timeless classic which set standards for whole genre.

But as far as pictures goes nothing can beat Sebastian's dolls room:

 

[Decatonkeil]

Explicit sex is not, though. Sex is part of every human story, pretty much, except maybe Lord of The Rings. But by far the majority of Cyberpunk stories and fiction do not have explicit sex in them - the Matrix, another example.

Because sex isn't an integral part of Cyberpunk, no. If you can have arguably the best Cyberpunk movie, ( Blade Runner) without sex, ( there's nudity, sure, but no sex), for example, then sex scenes themselves are not integral to the genre, no.

Now, if you can explain to me how an explicit sex scene is integral to Cyberpunk, great! Then tell me why Blade Runner and the Matrix are great Cpunk stories without them, or why Neuromancer and Hardwired are exactly the same level of Cyberpunk without the sex.

Not that I particularly mind them, I just consider them unimportant parts of the story and setting. Sexuality, sure. Cheap sexual images everywhere? Arguably, yes.

Sex scenes? Nope. The Japanese fascination with explicit detail in both sex and violence is, perhaps, more relevant in Eden and GitS than the Cyberpunk nature of sex.

And, damn you Nars. Now I want to read Eden again. Again-again.

Edit - Yeah, all I'm suggesting is a Fade to Black switch in the options menu. Ironically, I wouldn't use it! But I think it should be there.

The Matrix Reloaded did have a sex scene.

 

[Frankensteel]

Optional fade to black for sex scenes are fine and a simple solution. But I want Night City to feel like a dangerous, obnoxious place. I'd expect the nudity and sex aspect, the seedier side of big cities, would be amplified 60 years from now. I lived in central Philly for three years, and you would have to walk around blindfolded to miss that stuff. So I'm not on the same page as Sard when it comes to the overall feel of Cyberpunk I guess.

I agree, the big city is full of lonely people wanting to find someone, for a night or a life, rich or poor. Everybody wants to be loved sometimes.

 

[Sardukhar]

Everybody wants to be loved sometimes.

No I don't.

In fact, I fear it. Such weakness can only lead to heresy.

 

[Frankensteel]

No I don't.

In fact, I fear it. Such weakness can only lead to heresy.

Your shrink will not approve, human relatinship is good for curing cyberpsychosis, u known.

 

[braindancer12]

No I don't.

In fact, I fear it. Such weakness can only lead to heresy.

 

[z0rex]

No I don't.

In fact, I fear it. Such weakness can only lead to heresy.

Spoken like true space marine!

 

[Calistarius]

No I don't.

In fact, I fear it. Such weakness can only lead to heresy.

Heresy is like a tree, its roots lie in the darkness whilst its leaves wave in the sun and to those who suspect nought, it has an attractive and pleasing appearance. Truly, you can prune away its branches, or even cut the tree to the ground, but it will grow up again ever the stronger and ever more comely. Yet all awhile the root grows thick and black, gnawing at the bitter soil, drawing its nourishment from the darkness, and growing even greater and more deeply entrenched.

Such is the nature of heresy, and this is why it is so hard to destroy, for it must be eradicated leaf, branch, trunk and root. It must be exorcised utterly or it will return all the stronger, time and time again, until it is too great to destroy. Then we are doomed.

So beware!

 

[TheOracle7]

I'd want a relationship option that would be quite similar to Leon: The Professional where a Hitman took in a girl and trained her in how to become a professional killer. Except instead of a little girl she'd be a young adult that you help out and train (which soon leads to her not just seeing you as a Mentor, but something more). And through some random instance you may choose to either carry on the Mentor-Student relationship or let it lead to something more intimate (love is sometimes one complicated mistress after all, its worth a shot to me).

There should even be possible relationships that Players could carry out with pretty shady people (if they chose the most questionable of choices throughout the game), like a dirty Corporate or even a blood-thirsty Psycho who sees that you aren't like the other "Meatbags" and decides to leave you be (which leads to some sort of side quest where you chase down this Psycho and carry out whatever you deem nessasery to it). Its 2077, so I expect their to be some odd groupings and couples out there in NC.

 

[TheOracle7]

No I don't.

In fact, I fear it. Such weakness can only lead to heresy.

I strongly disagree cause if it wasn't for love we wouldn't have passion, if there wasn't any passion then there wouldn't be no inspiration, if there weren't any inspiration then I'm pretty certain we'd have a very dull and even more idle, meaningless existence in this world (all three of those things brought us much in this rock we call Earth, so I don't believe it weakens us, but strengthens us to the point of doing greater things for better or ill).

 

[kanonite]

I think explicit gore would be a good idea for 2077. Mainly cause it would make the shooting and melee mechanics feel satisfying instead of ineffective plinkers like Invisible War's handgun.

It would also serve to hammer in the point of how savage the world has become since our decade.

 

[animalfather]

Can you be gay in this game?

Or is it only straight relationships? i want to be lesbian gay woman.

 

[ReptilePZ]

As far as I'm aware, we don't even know if the game will feature any romance options at all yet.

i want to be lesbian gay woman.

Don't we all...

 

[vongo.859]

Is a lesbian gay woman... just bisexual?

 

[animalfather]

Is a lesbian gay woman... just bisexual?

no, a lesbian gay woman only loves other women. hence gay. bisexual is just a bisexual.

 

[Decatonkeil]

no, a lesbian gay woman only loves other women. hence gay. bisexual is just a bisexual.

A lesbian gay woman likes women of the same sex as the... other lesbian... oh, wait. No, wait I got it!... No, it's not it. I thought I got it but I didn't. Sorry guys, I'm at a loss here. Isn't that like the double negative?

 

[matsif]

A lesbian gay woman likes women of the same sex as the... other lesbian... oh, wait. No, wait I got it!... No, it's not it. I thought I got it but I didn't. Sorry guys, I'm at a loss here. Isn't that like the double negative?

something like that...just redundant adjectives to describe the noun woman

honestly, if CDPR gives a relationship mechanic, then I don't see why it wouldn't be an option assuming there isn't some cultural aversion to that sort of thing in Poland. that said, I've never played a game that had a relationship mechanic that was (in my opinion) well made. they are often very generic and cringeworthy at the best points and really never felt like they played a major impact in anything other than to provide a sex scene.

 

[dragonbird]

Merged with existing thread.
Because.

 

[Sardukhar]

I love the last six posts. Just amazing. REDpoints for all!